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0 pointsthrow0101c1y ago0 comments

> They may even go one step deeper and believe the vaccines aren't proven properly to know whether they work well enough.

They may even go further still and claim that the shot causes the flu—like RFK recently did with measles:

> Kennedy claimed the outbreak was likely caused by vaccines — contrary to evidence that showed low vaccination rates as the culprit. The false theory seems to stem from a misreading of a California Department of Public Health report that mentioned cases of a vaccine-induced rash, not vaccine-induced measles.

* https://www.nbcnews.com/news/texas-measles-outbreak-anti-vac...

Measles used to not be a thing:

> The US declared that measles had been "eliminated" in 2000, but the country has seen outbreaks in recent years amid a rise in anti-vaccine sentiment. The last US measles death was in 2015, according to the Infectious Diseases Society of America.

* https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyderx4v8go

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_heimdall1y ago

> They may even go further still and claim that the shot causes the flu

If by "the flu" you're referring to the disease rather than a specific pathogen, a vaccine can cause the flu. Its common for vaccines to cause symptoms similar to the pathogen, though those symptoms are usually more mild.

Think about it for a second. A vaccine is meant to induce an immune response to allow the body to learn the pathogen before a natural infection. Symptoms are little more than the physical effects of your immune system doing its job and responding to a pathogen. Why wouldn't a good vaccine induce similar, though likely less severe, symptoms?

lossolo1y ago

A flu vaccine cannot "cause the flu". It can mimic an immune response similar to the flu, but this response is much weaker than what occurs during an actual infection, where a live pathogen is actively spreading and causing harm. The flu vaccine contains an inactivated ('dead') virus or a component of the virus, meaning it cannot replicate or cause illness in the way a live virus does.

_heimdall1y ago

The assumption I started my last comment with is extremely important. I'm assuming we are referring to "the flu" as the disease not the influenza virus itself.

Disease is just a named collection of symptoms, that it. A vaccine absolutely can cause those symptoms, and when they occur together it would meet the definition of the disease. That obviously doesn't mean the vaccine caused an influence infection.

Few disease definitions actually take into account severity of symptoms. There are some examples where we have two named diseases where one is distinguished only by being more severe, but unless I'm missing something the flu doesn't fit into that category.

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0 pointsthrow0101c1y ago0 comments

> They may even go one step deeper and believe the vaccines aren't proven properly to know whether they work well enough.

They may even go further still and claim that the shot causes the flu—like RFK recently did with measles:

* https://www.nbcnews.com/news/texas-measles-outbreak-anti-vac...

Measles used to not be a thing:

* https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyderx4v8go

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_heimdall1y ago

> They may even go further still and claim that the shot causes the flu

lossolo1y ago

_heimdall1y ago

The assumption I started my last comment with is extremely important. I'm assuming we are referring to "the flu" as the disease not the influenza virus itself.

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