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0 pointsnradov1y ago0 comments

The executive branch has blatantly violated numerous laws but so far they have still obeyed court orders which explicitly required them to follow those laws. The real Constitutional crisis will come if they decide to openly defy a federal court order.

I would also note that while the current Trump administration has broken federal laws at an accelerated rate, the previous Biden administration did much the same thing on a smaller scale. People here on HN frequently make excuses for Biden's illegal student loan forgiveness program because they liked the results but if we want to preserve the rule of law then it needs to apply to every program. In the long run allowing unchecked growth of executive branch power and the administrative state will be bad for everyone.

https://www.scotusblog.com/2023/06/supreme-court-strikes-dow...

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DangitBobby1y ago

It's quite telling that you see this as remotely comparable to how the executive is being conducted right now.

_heimdall1y ago

Its quite telling to me that you don't.

In both cases the executive branch is overstepping legal bounds and attempting to take actions that it isn't legally authorized to do.

DangitBobby1y ago

Right, continuing a tradition of executive overreach to help indebted students get the dick out of their ass is the exact same thing as dismantling the federal government, installing loyalists, betraying allies, allying with dictators, and promising lots of money to billionaires. I intend for it to be telling that I don't see them as the same. We don't even live on the same fucking planet.

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undersuit1y ago

>People here on HN frequently make excuses for Biden's illegal student loan forgiveness program because

Biden didn't do anything you suggest. You're consuming the propaganda. George Bush made it so that Federal workers with student loans could get them discharged at X years of service. X just happened to fall into Trump's first term.

Trump broke the promise made to people doing their civic duty, Biden repaired it.

Biden never took on more authority than what was established almost two decades ago.

_heimdall1y ago

Biden was absolutely trying to cancel, or partially pay for, any federally backed loans and pell grants [1]. It wasn't limited only to federal employees with student debt.

[1] https://www.cbsnews.com/news/student-loan-forgiveness-applic...

nradovOP1y ago

I haven't consumed any propaganda. I read the Supreme Court opinion in Biden v. Nebraska. You should do the same instead of making things up.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/22pdf/22-506_nmip.pdf

_heimdall1y ago

Lawyers are paid very well to present the best case possible for their client, you can't honestly believe that every detail of the events are going to be submitted as evidence, right?

How do you distinguish between propaganda and a lawyer arguing a political policy on behalf of the president of the united states, with the understanding that a lawyer should make the most compelling case they possibly can? Its political, its a one-sided view, its cherry picked, and its meant to persuade the target audience to believe a certain point - that sounds pretty propagandistic to me.

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DangitBobby1y ago

It's quite telling that you see this as remotely comparable to how the executive is being conducted right now.

_heimdall1y ago

Its quite telling to me that you don't.

In both cases the executive branch is overstepping legal bounds and attempting to take actions that it isn't legally authorized to do.

DangitBobby1y ago

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undersuit1y ago

>People here on HN frequently make excuses for Biden's illegal student loan forgiveness program because

Trump broke the promise made to people doing their civic duty, Biden repaired it.

Biden never took on more authority than what was established almost two decades ago.

_heimdall1y ago

Biden was absolutely trying to cancel, or partially pay for, any federally backed loans and pell grants [1]. It wasn't limited only to federal employees with student debt.

[1] https://www.cbsnews.com/news/student-loan-forgiveness-applic...

nradovOP1y ago

I haven't consumed any propaganda. I read the Supreme Court opinion in Biden v. Nebraska. You should do the same instead of making things up.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/22pdf/22-506_nmip.pdf

_heimdall1y ago

Lawyers are paid very well to present the best case possible for their client, you can't honestly believe that every detail of the events are going to be submitted as evidence, right?

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