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0 pointspaul798611mo ago0 comments

How many Americans are dying to and will do tedious labor (not many), as well robots, automation and AI can do a lot of it and or will end up doing a lot of it.

If we want to strengthen America (military & economy) immigration reform is needed! This could be unpopular but such reform could be ...those who want to come here must serve in our armed forces for x amount of years and can bring two to four family members here that are able to start working and contributing to the economy immediately (pay taxes). Rounding up and getting of rid of these eager want to be Americans when we have adversaries with larger armies and we bang the drum on beefing up defense (and our economy) doesn't make sense to me.

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nneonneo11mo ago

Importing immigrants directly into the military sounds like a bad idea. I’m guessing many would be less likely to want to lay their lives down for the new country, so drafting them seems like a great way to end up with a bunch of disloyal troops.

inglor_cz11mo ago

Both the Romans and the US had success with immigrants in the military, provided that they were thoroughly mixed. A unit with 35 ethnicities in it usually does not rebel "like one man".

The Roman way started to fail when they moved to the foederati model, where there would be units of, say, only Goths under a Gothic commander. That proved dangerous.

selimthegrim11mo ago

Did either work for Kakania/Austria-Hungary?

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mathgeek11mo ago

The traditional incentive that the military gives in these situations is that your spouse and children will be well taken care of if you serve, and even better taken care of if you die in service. Not endorsing that approach, just explaining.

paul7986OP11mo ago

Indeed, come here and expedite citizenship by serving America for an X number of years! In return along with expedited citizenship your partner and any kin can join you with your partner required to work/contribute some to the economy. Heck work in one of these new factories part or full time (if full time the new factories offer free day care).

Personally this concept is a more humane one then rounding/exiling want to be Americans in which the majority are not criminals! No they are hard workers coming here for a better life, why not give that to them and in return they "Make America Even Stronger!" ;-). That's what the current admin wants beef up defense, yet to me with immigration they are taking the wrong approach!

Enginerrrd11mo ago

The French Foreign Legion is a famous counterexample to your argument here. They might actually have the best Esprit du Corps in the world. In particular because they have to since they are indeed comprised of random foreigners and historically at least low-level criminals.

paul7986OP11mo ago

How many wars has American been in within the past 40 to 50 years?

You say it's a bad idea, so it's a bad idea for an American citizen to join the armed forces too?

xjlin011mo ago

The best army/weapon are those never needed to be utilized. Enemies won't pick up fights because your weapon/army are way stronger than theirs. Therefore we cannot regard army/weapon as "not used" or just wasted.

bregma11mo ago

These two to four family member who immigrate would not also be required to serve in the military? If not, what are the criteria used to select the one-out-of-five?

paul7986OP11mo ago

I think it be better if they had to work and contribute to our economy and society. They could work in one these new manufacturing plants, as no doubt if you ask farmers and other businesses that offer grunt work they will say they can not find Americans to do the work but they can find hard working and reliable immigrants to do it! How many immigrants nowadays do you see at a construction site? It's the majority for me here in York, PA.

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nneonneo11mo ago

inglor_cz11mo ago

Both the Romans and the US had success with immigrants in the military, provided that they were thoroughly mixed. A unit with 35 ethnicities in it usually does not rebel "like one man".

The Roman way started to fail when they moved to the foederati model, where there would be units of, say, only Goths under a Gothic commander. That proved dangerous.

selimthegrim11mo ago

Did either work for Kakania/Austria-Hungary?

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mathgeek11mo ago

paul7986OP11mo ago

Enginerrrd11mo ago

paul7986OP11mo ago

How many wars has American been in within the past 40 to 50 years?

You say it's a bad idea, so it's a bad idea for an American citizen to join the armed forces too?

xjlin011mo ago

bregma11mo ago

These two to four family member who immigrate would not also be required to serve in the military? If not, what are the criteria used to select the one-out-of-five?

paul7986OP11mo ago

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