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0 pointscityofdelusion11mo ago0 comments

You can't really compete in a any real sense when the labor price differential is so massive and the companies and supply chains are directly subsidized. The price does not reflect the product, but all its inputs.

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hedora11mo ago

The $20K from the article is after a $7500 subsidy.

patagonia11mo ago

I never said that I’d expect that a US automaker would “win”. I want the best car at the cheapest price to be made available. And for that to be done within a level playing field with regards to safety / workforce / environmental / labor regulations. My expectation is that US automakers do not win, even with subsidies. But I do think keeping an industrial base in the US would be worth that compromise.

hedora11mo ago

Historically, tariffs guarantee the local market will not win.

Tariffs (the "chicken tax") are directly responsible for US trucks being so expensive. They have no foreign competition in the US.

Environmental regulation loopholes cause US trucks to be so big, which is a related problem.

It's probably possible for US manufacturing to compete directly with foreign manufacturers, but they have no incentive to do so now that Trump extended the chicken-tax to all imported cars.

themaninthedark11mo ago

It's not a loophole if you explicitly state: "This is what we are going to focus on." The CAFE regulations also regulate pickup trucks, just less stringently.

>CAFE has separate standards for "passenger cars" and "light trucks" even if the majority of "light trucks" are being used as passenger vehicles. The market share of "light trucks" grew steadily from 9.7% in 1979 to 47% in 2001, remained in 50% numbers up to 2011.[7] More than 500,000 vehicles in the 1999 model year exceeded the 8,500 lb (3,900 kg) GVWR cutoff and were thus omitted from CAFE calculations.[10] More recently, coverage of medium duty trucks has been added to the CAFE regulations starting in 2012, and heavy duty commercial trucks starting in 2014.

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hedora11mo ago

The $20K from the article is after a $7500 subsidy.

patagonia11mo ago

hedora11mo ago

Historically, tariffs guarantee the local market will not win.

Tariffs (the "chicken tax") are directly responsible for US trucks being so expensive. They have no foreign competition in the US.

Environmental regulation loopholes cause US trucks to be so big, which is a related problem.

It's probably possible for US manufacturing to compete directly with foreign manufacturers, but they have no incentive to do so now that Trump extended the chicken-tax to all imported cars.

themaninthedark11mo ago

It's not a loophole if you explicitly state: "This is what we are going to focus on." The CAFE regulations also regulate pickup trucks, just less stringently.

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