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0 pointssmcleod11mo ago0 comments

To be honest most of those accessories are actually incredibly cheap at manufacturing time and several have a direct impact on safety (e.g. ensuring people don't drive around with lights off). The cost usually comes as companies use them for pricing tiers where they market them as suggested extras to ratchet up profits.

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mceachen11mo ago

Driving with your lights off at dusk or dark gets you (rightfully) pulled over by law enforcement in CA. It's well-correllated with driving under the influence.

I'm a huge fan of many car safety regulations, but this isn't one.

(Sign me up for car-hiding-in-blind-spot notification lights on side mirrors, though, those are great)

smcleodOP11mo ago

I don't understand what you're saying here - you think it's good to have your lights turned on - but you don't want them to automatically turn on?

bluedays11mo ago

Because of my ADHD I would constantly get pulled over if automatic lights were removed

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sneak11mo ago

I think they mean that it gives a clear signal to LEOs that the person driving is likely distracted/unfit.

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the_gipsy11mo ago

That doesn't make any sense. Eliminatung DUI is not a matter of detection, and automatic light sensors save lives.

margalabargala11mo ago

It could make sense. We don't know the numbers.

Let's say net X lives are saved each year because of automatic lights turning on.

Let's say net Y lives would be saved each year without automatic lights, via more effective detection of drunk drivers and stopping them before they kill someone.

Is X > Y? We don't know.

> Eliminatung DUI is not a matter of detection

There are a lot of avenues to decrease DUI, among which one is effective detection combined with enforcement.

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sneak11mo ago

This is simply because police don’t do their jobs. It would be trivial to simply wait outside bars at 2AM and give out tons of DUIs but a significant percentage of the population are alcoholics and this would result in massive blowback against the police.

Go to any small town watering hole at 2AM to see this in effect. The police have no legal obligation to prevent crime or enforce laws. None.

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mceachen11mo ago

Driving with your lights off at dusk or dark gets you (rightfully) pulled over by law enforcement in CA. It's well-correllated with driving under the influence.

I'm a huge fan of many car safety regulations, but this isn't one.

(Sign me up for car-hiding-in-blind-spot notification lights on side mirrors, though, those are great)

smcleodOP11mo ago

I don't understand what you're saying here - you think it's good to have your lights turned on - but you don't want them to automatically turn on?

bluedays11mo ago

Because of my ADHD I would constantly get pulled over if automatic lights were removed

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sneak11mo ago

I think they mean that it gives a clear signal to LEOs that the person driving is likely distracted/unfit.

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the_gipsy11mo ago

That doesn't make any sense. Eliminatung DUI is not a matter of detection, and automatic light sensors save lives.

margalabargala11mo ago

It could make sense. We don't know the numbers.

Let's say net X lives are saved each year because of automatic lights turning on.

Let's say net Y lives would be saved each year without automatic lights, via more effective detection of drunk drivers and stopping them before they kill someone.

Is X > Y? We don't know.

> Eliminatung DUI is not a matter of detection

There are a lot of avenues to decrease DUI, among which one is effective detection combined with enforcement.

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sneak11mo ago

Go to any small town watering hole at 2AM to see this in effect. The police have no legal obligation to prevent crime or enforce laws. None.

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