It is certainly and undoubtedly a big coincidence that his happens to the chatbot of a white South African just when the topic is in the news again due to Trump's granting refugee status to some white South African farmers.
I don't mean big agenda-pushing things like Musk, but what keeps e.g. Meta Inc. from training Llama to be ever so slightly more friendly and sympathetic to Meta Inc, or the tech industry in general? Even an open-weights model can't be easily inspected, so this is likely to remain undetected.
Even if there were something the natural incentive alignment is going to cause the AI to be trained to match what the company thinks is ok.
A tech company full of techies is not going to take an AI trained to the point of saying things like "y'all are evil, your company is evil, your industry is evil" and push it to prod.
The big labs do have evals for sensitive topics to make sure it demurs from weighing on, say, Mark Zuckerberg as a person
Can generate as many mean, nasty, false, hate-filled stories about Republicans as you want, but get the "I'm sorry, as a large..." message for Democrats during the election.
All of these companies that provide LLMs as a product also put their fingers on the scale.
On one hand it feels like the height of conspiracy theory to say that Google, Meta etc would/could tweak their product to e.g. favour a particular presidential candidate. But on the other hand it’s entirely possible. Tweak what search results people see, change the weighting of what appears in their news feed… and these companies all have incentive to do so. We just have to hope that they don’t do it.
banks would ask international clients the origin of the money. but not if you are opening an account under refugee status. and then they only have to pay us tax on further income, not on fortune. all that money selling black market gems to russians will be squeak clean.
it's not just something to virtue signal to their bible belt electorate. they probably sold lot of trump coins for this deal.
I would assume it's people who pay for Twitter pro or whatever it's called getting Grok as part of the bundle and not wanting to sign up for another subscription.
Another explanation is that there's another discussion. At least on the comments for that discussion the explanation is that this discussion exists...
Even technology that would be very relevant to the site simply because it contains negative implications about Musk.
Are you saying it’s crappy to be white in South Africa even if you’re not a poor farmer?
It's a bit like what happened in Zimbabwe that devastated that country 20 years ago when all the white farmers were kicked out, but in slower motion.
I'm pretty sure Afghanistan is worse, but Trump says its okay to go back there.
Elon is known for his capricious demands, (for example reports that he made the algo promote his own tweets more) how easily feasible is it to implement, "make it so Grok stops denying white genocide"? Is it just some kind of LORA you put on top of the base Grok model? It even sounds like it could be as simple as changing the text of the system prompt.
I wonder how often this happens (to any big model) without anyone noticing.
Elon trying to amp white genocide.
Sure this was a reinforcement learning gone wild
The IAs trained by billionaires will colonize our minds. Everyone will think that the political system supported by Musk father is a reasonable one. It was Apartheid.
https://www.businesslive.co.za/bd/national/2024-05-30-julius...
Supreme court ruled that it was not hate speech.
In context, south africa has been expropriating land from white owners due to historical racist inequalities. There's a great deal of tensions on the subject.
Statistically, there is significant violence against white farmers in South Africa. However, the counter to genocide is that the country's overall murder rate is among the highest in the world. The problem is because there's so many white farmers that it's skewing the data?
South Africa during no war has a murder rate of 45 deaths per 100,000 per year. One of the worsts in the world.
The Gaza war since 2023 has roughly a ~20 deaths per 100,000 per year.
Ukraine war is roughly ~25 deaths per 100,000 per year.
My unpopular opinion:
The government isnt the one committing the genocide. The courts failed to punish this political leader's hate speech and stochastic terrorism, leading to genocide of white farmers.
You say he's singing about farmers, so tell us what lyric mentions farmers? There aren't any, you're inventing stuff. The news article you linked to is closer to accuracy than you.
Are you suggesting that most of those murdered are white farmers?
The "Third Quarter 2024/2025 Crime Stats Presentation" [pdf] from South African Police Service Crime stats [0] show between: October 2024 to December 2024 there were 6953 Murders in RSA.[pg 8] and of those there were 12 victims linked to the "farm/small holding" community [pg 32]. 5 farm dwellers, 4 employees, 1 Farmer, 1 Security, & 1 not specified.
12 people linked to farms (but only 1 Farmer murdered) in the last quarter of 2024 in a place with some of the highest murder rates in the world -- does Not white farmer genocide make, nor is it "significant violence against white farmers". There were 68 total "contact crimes" committed in Rural communities; and 187,892 "contact crimes" for RSA in that time.
Contact crimes being violent crimes (and not counting sexual offenses or robbery)
How many murders go undiscovered because police cant safely enter an area? The numbers are much worse than reported and when that's happening, that's usually a genocide.
https://www.ushmm.org/m/pdfs/20110210-what-is-genocide.pdf
Especially this one can be applied to many things:
c. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part.
In this situation, it's specifically about farmers(large scale private landowners). The nature of them being targeted isn't purely because they're white, but that they hold 3/4 of the privately owned land in SA and likely wield that privilege and power.
