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0 pointsyongjik9mo ago0 comments

> some proper bombings

and a war that killed 400,000 Americans.

You want to repeat that history?

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Here's some history I don't want to repeat:

1939, Nazi Germany starts fucking around and nobody does anything about it and then we have WWII on our hands.

You've totally missed the point. It's precisely because we didn't "properly" bomb Germany to stop that first invasion of Poland, that WWII happened and we lost 400,000 Americans, 6 million Jews etc.

stickfigure9mo ago

The only thing this parent got wrong is the dates. Historians seem to generally think that Hitler's regime would have collapsed if the West had stood up to:

* The militarization of the Rhineland in 1936

* The Anschluss with Austria in March 1938

* The annexation of the Sudetenland (and the rest of Czechoslovakia) in October 1938

The German army was weak in the 1930s and his generals very hesitant. Hitler's "reckless" successes gave him credibility and power.

Apparently Hitler was genuinely surprised when the west declared war after the invasion of Poland. He expected the cowardly West to roll over again.

I recommend Childers' "World War II: A Military and Social History" if you're into this kind of thing.

croon9mo ago

I don't think the issue is whether the history in the comparison is correct, but rather whether or not it is an apt comparison at all.

corimaith9mo ago

There is alot of paralllels between the mindset of the populace then and today, especially in this thread that enabled Hitler's confidence. The famous Oxford Union "King and Country Debate" in 1933 declared with 275 for and 153 against that "This House under no circumstances would fight for King and Country". It was stated to have a tremendous impression of Hitler's decision-making when generals pushed back against his aggresive actions, and his bluff was rewarded well.

Well, skip forward in 2023 and here we are again...

https://cherwell.org/2023/05/28/oxford-union-votes-not-to-fi...

herewulf9mo ago

Historians seem to generally think that Hitler's regime never would have existed if the West had not bent Germany over a barrel in 1918 and immediately after.

I mean, if we're going to ruminate over alternate timelines why fast forward to the 1930s..?

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Hikikomori9mo ago

So we should bomb Israel now as they're fucking around?

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