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0 pointsinglor_cz9mo ago0 comments

"Did you somehow magically miss the part"

Could you tone down your arrogance, please?

I was talking about the next election. You expressed your conviction that Yanukovich could be removed in the next election, remember?

I expressed my doubt about iron-cladness of such future election. Strongmen-like leaders in fresh democracies have a lot of methods how to win next elections without actually winning them.

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lenkite9mo ago

Ok, but I am really incredulous now - If he won the next election even after extensive vetting by EU and a plethora of international observers who called the elections "fair and transparent", then he has completely won the seat of the Presidency. On what basis does your personal opinion overrule the result of democracy ?

mopsi9mo ago

The fact that someone won elections doesn't mean they get to stay until the end of their term no matter what they do.

Yanukovych had over 100 people killed in a violent crackdown on protests, then fled to Russia as he was about to be imprisoned. On 21 February 2014, the Ukrainian parliament voted 328-0 to hold snap elections to replace Yanukovych before the end of his term. Not a single member of his own party supported him or voted against the decision. He was replaced through general elections held a few months later. This is exactly how parliamentary democracy is supposed to work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snap_election

lenkite9mo ago

Sure, by that time the coup was successful. Anyone in Kyiv who objected to it would face arrest and incarceration themselves.

The vote did not follow formal impeachment procedure under Article 111 of the Ukrainian Constitution (which requires a Constitutional Court review and more formal steps).

I am sure you then have no objections to the 53–0 vote in Crimea to remove the then-Ukrainian-appointed prime minister Anatoly Mogilev and install Sergei Aksyonov and the subsequent referendum on autonomy. After all, this is "exactly how parliamentary democracy is supposed to work".

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0 pointsinglor_cz9mo ago0 comments

"Did you somehow magically miss the part"

Could you tone down your arrogance, please?

I was talking about the next election. You expressed your conviction that Yanukovich could be removed in the next election, remember?

I expressed my doubt about iron-cladness of such future election. Strongmen-like leaders in fresh democracies have a lot of methods how to win next elections without actually winning them.

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lenkite9mo ago

mopsi9mo ago

The fact that someone won elections doesn't mean they get to stay until the end of their term no matter what they do.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snap_election

lenkite9mo ago

Sure, by that time the coup was successful. Anyone in Kyiv who objected to it would face arrest and incarceration themselves.

The vote did not follow formal impeachment procedure under Article 111 of the Ukrainian Constitution (which requires a Constitutional Court review and more formal steps).

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