> Do you see the problem? Rob Bailey is calling Bhavye Khetan a hypocrite because Bhavye Khetan said something that contradicts something that "people" say.
Nobody called anybody a hypocrite (nor implied it for that matter) - you entirely put those words in his mouth. All he said was that people have a common complaint that contradicts what this person is complaining about. The implication is simply that VCs have contradictory demands placed on them, so they can't fully satisfy them all. If anything, that guy was asking for people to have some sympathy for VCs who are actually willing to have a call -- not trying to smear anyone as a hypocrite!
And I point this out specifically to illustrate how unrealistic it is to expect people to avoid making assumptions that might be wrong. It's normal and human to make common assumptions -- that's how progress is made without slowing everything down to a crawl. You're not immune to it any more than anybody else. The solution to being wrong isn't to always avoid making assumptions and beat people up who do so; it's to be reasonable in doing so, and to also be more generous on the receiving side and try to understand the point they were trying to make better.
No, he told the author not to complaint. Why would this ask make sense? Because it's contradictory to complain about both of the opposite outcomes
No, it makes sense because you're a grown-up adult who can think beyond yourself and recognize when your demands would be irreconcilable with those of others, instead of a baby that complains the moment he doesn't get what he expected because his world only revolves around him. Does that make sense?
Now I'm trying to have a rule at home, that if we use "always/everyone" we automatically "lost" the argument and have to step back and rethink :)
Personally I find it hard to keep this in control and I know it takes away some ability to apply empathy (as in being in someones shoes, not pity). It's about finding a way to look at yourself from a distance. Preferably before I speak. Often it's not the case - I can do that, but in moments of relative comfort. So I'm still guilty of generalizing and blaming a person for group issues sometimes.
I'm wondering how others train themselves to increase that self awareness (and in the end practical empathy)?
Should I even try to improve it during stress/challenging situations, or rather eliminate that factor (for instance, by doing less on-the-fly calls) and try to have more talks when things are not rushed?
This sums up what's become so exhausting about online discussion
https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2020/01/16/the-internet-of-beefs/
The article is very useful. Reading it has inspired me to improve my own online behavior.
1. Assuming you know how the person thinks from a small sample of comments they made. You may have missed the context (can happen on this platform sometimes since the reply may be very distant to the comment it replied to)
2. Assuming what you think they said is what they said for real. Topics that you dealt with can prime you to read certain things in certain ways. This can be bad if you mentally start adding words or sentiments that are not there.
3. Assuming someone is attacking you, personally. Most people don't know each other online, if someone responds critically to you the chances are very high they don't know you and are mostly focused on what you wrote. Maybe they have a point, maybe they read something into it and critque a point you didn't make or maybe they are a troll (so someone who is purposely inflammatory). But it is very rare for someone to attack a person for who they are. If you're attacked you're attacked for what you represent.
Getting a rise out of people is now ends to means. Getting recognition for outing a perceived flaw in other is ends for means. And it's all boils down to shadow boxing in a cage of symbolism measured by likes/followers.
Push back online drives ads, looks, traffic. Talking #^=×@@ or BSing a person face to face may not work or be attempted due to real world consequences.
Tribal modalities online in the large or niche sense is just a conventional way of doing it because it's auto magnifying. Why take a shot at one VC when you can take at shot at all VCs?
- Broadcast messages "perform" better with a degree of generalization
- Algorithmic feeds warp our perceptions of any shared context
- Personal risk is mitigated if you talk about the opinions of the group
- You can avoid personal disclosure by speaking in broad terms
- Responding to a comment with a more general criticism side-steps personal attacks
I think our increased tribalism is at least partly a consequence of using media with characteristics like these. Eventually, you're not thinking in terms of individuals with balanced opinions but more in terms of tribal representatives because this is often our experience.
I guess if you legitimately enjoy meta-commentary of social media posts then keep doing you.
Original Post: VCs respond if you say AI. VCS don't respond at all if you don't mention AI
Response: You should be happy that they only respond to AI and not respond if you don't have AI
OP calls the game rigged, but the response calls the game fair. That's where the contradiction lies.
[0]: Yes, I realize the irony of posting that here.
That doesn’t justify it, of course, but I think it partially explains it.
Are these legitimate signals of success or signs that "the game is rigged" to advantage those with existing privilege? Both perhaps?
And the irony is, the vc couldnt see it either!!
There was also no control for this experiment, so we don't know what the alternative even looks like.
Iron should be mandatory ages 4-12 to avoid these situations.
Why should someone who thinks sex work be decriminalized be automatically be thrown into the feminist camp?
They aren't mutually exclusive. I can think that sex work is exploitive and at the same time not want sex workers to go to jail.
In the same way I can think drugs are bad, but locking up drug abusers is also bad.
It doesn't solve any problems and people I view as victims are the ones getting punished.
(Though as nations where sex work is legal show: decriminalisation is not sufficient to make most sex work non-exploitative)
> hypocrisy by association
You had it right in your title and elsewhere in your post. Bailey isn't accusing Khetan of hypocrisy, which is a difference between one's words and one's actions; the example in TFA is about a difference between a group's words and an individual's words, which is contradiction; actions-vs-words is not being discussed. It's also not self-contradiction, since Bailey isn't accusing Khetan of contradicting his own earlier statements. [1]
This reminds of the phrase, "stay in your lane": "stay in" here means "speak according to a certain viewpoint"; and "your lane" is the beliefs of some group. "Stop disagreeing with people similar to you," is a ludicrous thing to say. It's even more ludicrous when "people similar to you" is "people in general"; there's billions of "people in general"; that group disagrees on every topic known to man and dog.
"Contradicting humanity" wouldn't sound pithy, but that's what Bailey is accusing Khetan of doing. To your point, Bailey is accusing Khetan of "contradicting your group", which is undoubtedly a form of the Association Fallacy. [2]
Bailey is also engaging in performative contradiction, by demanding that Khetan agree with "people in general", while Bailey is not himself agreeing with "people in general", because that is an impossible task.
[0] Applying a stereotype to all people would be absurd, since a stereotype is about a sub-category of people; a stereotype is meant to highlight alleged differences between categories of people; to highlight the differences between A and A would be absurd -- there are none.
[1] Yes, Khetan is a member of "people in general", but Bailey is comparing Khetan's words to the words of "people in general minus Khetan" -- instance versus class-minus-that-instance. Okay, maybe Bailey isn't thinking that deeply about this, hence why TFA needed to be written.
[2] I could have lead with this, but I don't have enough time to re-write this.
What? 'stay in your lane' means some variant of 'don't comment on stuff you don't know about' or 'mind your own business', it's got nothing to do with speaking in unity with a group.
