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0 pointsthesz8mo ago0 comments

  > great, reliable cars

There was fuel tank burst open in cold weather overnight incident, sudden fires and explosions of (presumable hybrid) Chinese cars, etc. Chinese cars are not on market for time enough to even consider their reliability. Let's wait for ten years, at the very least.

The quality of ride of Chinese cars is not even close to their European counterparts, children get sick even on the front row in ten minutes in a car that costs next to $60K. Their suspension is such that they do not compensate for sudden roll when one side of car hits a bump or hole.

Rolls Royce made their Phantoms to have adjustable clearance so that Chinese buyers would not suffer from bad roads of China, yet all of the buyers of Chinese cars have to suffer from roads that are not ideally paved.

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maxglute8mo ago

> quality of ride

Is this year 2000? Chinese cars are overwhelmingly tuned for much softer ride experience at expense of feeling performance / sporty. Especially 50k+ tier from last few years, most perform better than Euro cars in terms of noise, vibration harshness. You generally have to scrape to bottom barrel entry level 10-15k PRC cars to get bad ride experiences now. Chinese roads also great now, down to rural.

Quality's caught up since 2020s. Sure you can wait 10 years, but there's industry indicators like problems per 100 vehicles (PP100) where PRC EVs are fine / better than foreign bands (built in PRC factories. At least mechanically (power trains, batteries, chassis). Most PRC weakeness comes from stuff like infotainment, drive assist last few years because they've been iterating software a little too fast. There's also proprietary fleet data on EV taxis / rideshare that's been driven to death, and those hold up fine too.

Rolls Royce tuned their PRC cars to be EXTRA PLUSH, because PRC buyers prefers extra cloudy rides vs Euro buyers that prefers firmer / responsive, NA softer than EU, MENA somewhere between EU/NA.

theszOP8mo ago

  > Is this year 2000? Chinese cars are overwhelmingly tuned for much softer ride experience at expense of feeling performance / sporty.

It is year 2025 in a country that was flooded with Chinese cars last three years. You can guess which one.

There is nothing soft in ride of any Chinese car in my experience. These cars are in taxis here and you can experience ride in pretty much every model and brand, from basic to luxury. No Chinese car I've been driven in compensate for sudden rolls.

European cars have much softier ride than anything Chinese, even Chinese "luxury" brands sold here. As you mentioned that, then "sporty, firm and responsive" BMW 5series' are much more pleasant to be schoffered in than anything Chinese.

Chinese luxury car brand Hongqi put V6 turbocharged hybrid motors into their full sedan models [1], this is really a shame!

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hongqi_H9

This shows they do not understand what quality of ride is. What vibrations are, how they affect quality of ride, how electric motors exacerbate vibrations [2], how motor's torque output affect quality of ride, etc, etc.

[2] https://abcnews.go.com/Business/ev-drivers-passengers-motion...

glenngillen8mo ago

You've clearly not driven one recently. I'm shopping at the moment, and the BYDs in particular are great to drive and have an amazing fit-out. Model 3/Y are the most direct comparable on both fronts, if I'm looking to European counterparts with similar ride and fit I'm also jumping 2x in price.

theszOP8mo ago

I use taxis all the time. Right now less than one in ten rides is European car, they are almost all Chinese.

Also, please experience being driven in the car in addition to drive a car.

In case of being driven you are not paying attention to the road and do not know why some acceleration did happen. In this situation your brain can decide that your senses are lying to it because body is poisoned and will invoke gag reflex, which we call ride sickness.

I look into that because I have to drive a family where two members are prone to motion sickness. I will definitely not look into any electric car because of this.

xarope8mo ago

I rode in a BYD 3 years ago that made me car sick. But recently rode in another, felt like a lexus. Anecdata sample size=1.

theszOP8mo ago

Ride sickness in electric and hybrid cars is real thing [1].

[1] https://abcnews.go.com/Business/ev-drivers-passengers-motion...

In my opinion, it is unavoidable.

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0 pointsthesz8mo ago0 comments

  > great, reliable cars

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maxglute8mo ago

> quality of ride

Rolls Royce tuned their PRC cars to be EXTRA PLUSH, because PRC buyers prefers extra cloudy rides vs Euro buyers that prefers firmer / responsive, NA softer than EU, MENA somewhere between EU/NA.

theszOP8mo ago

  > Is this year 2000? Chinese cars are overwhelmingly tuned for much softer ride experience at expense of feeling performance / sporty.

It is year 2025 in a country that was flooded with Chinese cars last three years. You can guess which one.

Chinese luxury car brand Hongqi put V6 turbocharged hybrid motors into their full sedan models [1], this is really a shame!

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hongqi_H9

[2] https://abcnews.go.com/Business/ev-drivers-passengers-motion...

glenngillen8mo ago

theszOP8mo ago

I use taxis all the time. Right now less than one in ten rides is European car, they are almost all Chinese.

Also, please experience being driven in the car in addition to drive a car.

I look into that because I have to drive a family where two members are prone to motion sickness. I will definitely not look into any electric car because of this.

xarope8mo ago

I rode in a BYD 3 years ago that made me car sick. But recently rode in another, felt like a lexus. Anecdata sample size=1.

theszOP8mo ago

Ride sickness in electric and hybrid cars is real thing [1].

[1] https://abcnews.go.com/Business/ev-drivers-passengers-motion...

In my opinion, it is unavoidable.

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