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It is built for the task, and assuming worse case scenario of sunset, it would be ingested into the Wayback Machine. Note that both the Internet Archive and Cloudflare are supporting partners (bottom of page).

(https://doi.org/ is also an option, but not as accessible to a casual user; the DOI Foundation pointed me to https://www.crossref.org/ for adhoc DOI registration, although I have not had time to research further)

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ruined8mo ago

perma.cc is an interesting project, thanks for sharing.

other readers may be specifically interested in their contingency plan

https://perma.cc/contingency-plan

afandian8mo ago

Crossref is designed for publishing workflows. Not set up for ad hoc DOI registration. Not least because just registering a persistent identifier to redirect to an ephemeral page without arrangements for preservation and stewardship of the page doesn’t make much sense.

That’s not to say that DOIs aren’t registered for all kinds of urls. I found the likes of YouTube etc when I researched this about 10 years ago.

toomuchtodoOP8mo ago

Would you have a recommendation for an organization that can register ad hoc DOIs? I am still looking for one.

afandian8mo ago

It really depends what you’re trying to do. Make something citable? Findable? Permalink?

Crossref isn’t the only DOI registration agency. DataCite may be more relevant, although both require membership. Part of this is the commitment to maintaining the content.

You could look at Figshare or Zenodo? https://docs.github.com/en/repositories/archiving-a-github-r...

Then Rogue Scholar is worth a mention. https://rogue-scholar.org/

Sorry that doesn’t answer your question but maybe that’s a clue that DOIs might not be right for your use case?

Hyperlisk8mo ago

perma.cc is great. Also check out their tools if you want to get your hands dirty with your own archival process: https://tools.perma.cc/

whoahwio8mo ago

While Perma is solution specifically for this problem, and a good one at that - citing the might of the backing company is a bit ironic here

toomuchtodoOP8mo ago

If Cloudflare provides the infra (thanks Cloudflare!), I am happy to have them provide the compute and network for the lookups (which, at their scale, is probably a rounding error), with the Internet Archive remaining the storage system of last resort. Is that different than the Internet Archive offering compute to provide the lookups on top of their storage system? Everything is temporary, intent is important, etc. Can always revisit the stack as long as the data exists on disk somewhere accessible.

This is distinct from Google saying "bye y'all, no more GETs for you" with no other way to access the data.

whoahwio8mo ago

This is much better positioned for longevity than google’s URL shortener, I’m not trying to make that argument. My point is that 10-15 years ago, when Google’s URL shortener was being adopted for all these (inappropriate) uses, its use was supported by a public opinion of Google’s ‘inevitability’. For Perma, CF serves a similar function.

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N19PEDL28mo ago

> Websites change. Perma Links don’t.

Until the Cocos Islands are annexed by Australia.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse

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ruined8mo ago

perma.cc is an interesting project, thanks for sharing.

other readers may be specifically interested in their contingency plan

https://perma.cc/contingency-plan

afandian8mo ago

That’s not to say that DOIs aren’t registered for all kinds of urls. I found the likes of YouTube etc when I researched this about 10 years ago.

toomuchtodoOP8mo ago

Would you have a recommendation for an organization that can register ad hoc DOIs? I am still looking for one.

afandian8mo ago

It really depends what you’re trying to do. Make something citable? Findable? Permalink?

Crossref isn’t the only DOI registration agency. DataCite may be more relevant, although both require membership. Part of this is the commitment to maintaining the content.

You could look at Figshare or Zenodo? https://docs.github.com/en/repositories/archiving-a-github-r...

Then Rogue Scholar is worth a mention. https://rogue-scholar.org/

Sorry that doesn’t answer your question but maybe that’s a clue that DOIs might not be right for your use case?

Hyperlisk8mo ago

perma.cc is great. Also check out their tools if you want to get your hands dirty with your own archival process: https://tools.perma.cc/

whoahwio8mo ago

While Perma is solution specifically for this problem, and a good one at that - citing the might of the backing company is a bit ironic here

toomuchtodoOP8mo ago

This is distinct from Google saying "bye y'all, no more GETs for you" with no other way to access the data.

whoahwio8mo ago

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N19PEDL28mo ago

> Websites change. Perma Links don’t.

Until the Cocos Islands are annexed by Australia.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse