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0 pointskelseyfrog8mo ago0 comments

Presumably, the belief of Collective Shout is that there is a causal link between acting out incest, rape, and sexual violence in games and acting on those behaviors in real life.

What would you do if you harbored that belief?

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creer8mo ago

The issue is not with Collective Shout, who are rightly free to argue whatever they want. The issue is with payment processor - who fall all over themselves and invoke all sorts of random claims, to use their extreme power to ban content.

bfg_9k8mo ago

They're Australian. So no.. not really. There's no freedom of speech in Australia.

codedokode8mo ago

Why they don't go after alcohol? I am not an expert, but I guess most such crimes happen due to alcohol usage.

tremon8mo ago

We have seen time and time again that a lot of such reprehensible behaviour comes from a puritanical stance on sex. So it's likely that they already act out those behaviours in real life.

They just want to hide behind "those games made me do it" when they eventually get caught.

evilduck8mo ago

Empirically prove it.

kelseyfrogOP8mo ago

Making sure I get this straight. You're saying that if you shared that believe, you would go out in search of evidence to prove it? I hate to break the news, but if we read the literature published by members of Collective Shout, they have in fact done this. The evidence they have supports their claims. Let's be clear, the evidence they have is independent of the veracity of the claims, but they have done with you suggested. However, it had the effect of confirming their beliefs.

I hate to ask the question again, but if you believed the same thing and felt like you empirically proved it, how would you behave?

JumpCrisscross8mo ago

> if we read the literature published by members of Collective Shout, they have in fact done this

Granted, I've skimmed, but I'm genuinely not seeing it [1].

The closest is this study [2], which counted how many times thirty-eight women "who self-identified as having experienced unwanted or non-consensual sexual experiences in relationships" and were "recruited via social media," when "given the opportunity to reflect on their experiences of [intimate partner sexual violence], with prompting to speculate about their partner’s motivations or any underlying causes for the violence" mentioned pornography. That's...that's not a study.

[1] https://www.collectiveshout.org/research

[2] https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/10778012209713...

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throwawayoldie8mo ago

You say that, but history shows that people are much more likely to move based on what _feels_ true to them.

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