undefined | Better HN

0 pointsoezi8mo ago0 comments

What we have learned again is that actions speak louder than words and that without action you can't achieve anything.

Western nations aren't doing anything nor are middle eastern governments, nor asian governments.

My takeaway is that the UN needs to be replaced with something without the 5 veto powers. Both Gaza now and Syria could have been prevented with peacekeeping missions if it weren't for the US and Russia and their vetos.

0 comments

geysersam8mo ago

> Western nations aren't doing anything nor are middle eastern governments, nor asian governments.

On the other hand, middle Eastern nations and Asian nations are typically protesting loudly, they don't protect Israel in the UN, they recognize the Palestinian state, they don't sell weapons to Israel.

oeziOP7mo ago

From an outcome perspective there isn't much difference. Egypt and Jordan keep their borders ironclad shut, no middle eastern country is taking relevant numbers of refugees. None of them have been able to stop Iran from using Hamas and Hezbollah as proxies against Israel.

It usually easy to bash the west, but still I don't see anybody else doing much better.

avoutos7mo ago

Perhaps what most different about this conflict is the dearth of nations willing to accept refugees. Many if not most Gazans do in fact want to leave [1] (wouldn't you?).

The unsettling conclusion is that these nations are willing to let Palestinians live in dire conditions--conditions the world has no reservation against decrying passionately on cable news and social media--so long as Israel does not get a perceived "win." The West has adopted the Hamas mindset.

1. https://www.bbc.com/arabic/articles/c9de3x3g41yo

achierius7mo ago

This is just untrue. Go look at what major Arab countries are doing right now, or look at how China is selling weapons to Israel. It's not on the same level as Western support, but it's still there.

geysersam7mo ago

What's untrue?

Most Asian and ME countries recognize Palestine, most European/Western countries don't: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of...

About Chinese weapons exports it seems we have different sources. From what I can tell Israels arms imports are dominated by US and Germany, with scattered contributions from other European countries.

Chinas arms imports to Israel are miniscule by comparison.

On the other hand I'm sure China provides a lot of components to Israels military industry, but that's a different question.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse