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0 pointsrendall9mo ago0 comments

Before we answer that: what do Palestinians do about the fact of an extremely hostile population of israelis on their border who is dedicated to their destruction? Some are nice, sure, but most overwhelmingly

Why before we answer that? Why not just answer the question directly? Again, Before we answer that is a diversion.

But ok, for the sake of argument, let's grant that Israel despises Palestinians and if Israel stopped the aggression then there would be peace and harmony and 2 states and the border could be as friendly and porous as between the US and Canada.

Nevertheless, Israel believes that if it stopped fighting, the Israeli people would be overrun and slaughtered. Since you earnestly want to save Palestinian lives, and that is more important to you than hating on Israel, you have to say something to stop the fighting. Right here and now you have the ear of the nation of Israel, so you say what?

So, again, if you have no more answer to the conundrum than repeating over and over Israel bad then you are unserious.

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ImPostingOnHN9mo ago

> Israel believes that if it stopped fighting, the Israeli people would be overrun and slaughtered.

So does every genocidal perpetrator. It is not a surprise that someone committing ethnic cleansing or genocide will attempt to justify it as self-defense.

Fortunately, as explained at the linked post above, a unilateral claim of self-defense is not a serious justification for ethnic cleansing and genocide.

> Right here and now you have the ear of the nation of Israel, so you say what?

'The ear of' the perpetrator of ethnic cleansing and genocide is an unserious concept. Did the allies convince hitler to stop his holocaust by 'having his ear'? If you think so, then now is a good opportunity for you yourself to suggest how you would convince israel to stop their ethnic cleansing and genocide. You have the ear of the nation of Israel! What do you suggest? Remember:

- All people are equal, so your proposal cannot prioritize israeli interests, needs, or safety over those of Palestinians, or vice versa.

- Ethnic cleansing and genocide are bad no matter what, and worse than anything else anybody can do, and thus stopping it is more important than israel's military or political goals.

- "We will stop perpetrating crimes against humanity if..." cannot legally be used as a bargaining chip.

- As a good heuristic: if your proposal is serious, it would likely be able to gain majority support in the UNGA.

Your serious proposal is eagerly awaited. If you have no more answer to the conundrum than repeating over and over violate international law, commit crimes against humanity then you are unserious.

rendallOP9mo ago

> it would likely be able to gain majority support in the UNGA

LOL. The UNGA that in 2022 issued 15 resolutions against Israel versus 6 against Russia, 1 against North Korea and 0 against China who is actually committing genocide, and is comprised of 22 Arab Muslim nations among others who, like you, think this is eminently reasonable and not at all obsessive? They wouldn't know a solution if it bit them.

Well, if you had a solution, you would have stated it by now. War it is, then, even though people like you will completely unseriously call it genocide. You have a lot of company, unfortunately.

ImPostingOnHN9mo ago

Your opinion of the UN, as one person of billions, is noted, and your sharing it is appreciated. That said, their credibility exceeds yours, so your judgement of them is a bit moot.

Now, if you have no more answer to the conundrum than repeating over and over, violate international law, commit crimes against humanity, then you are unserious.

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