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0 pointsarglebarnacle7mo ago0 comments

I assume your choice to describe average HR reps as “clueless ladies” isn’t meant to suggest that you respect e.g. women software engineers on your team any less. But if the gender of the clueless HR employees isn’t relevant, why mention it? Maybe worth reflecting on whether calling them clueless ladies rhetorically emphasizes their cluelessness

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tomrod7mo ago

The OP should have left off "ladies" as that was unnecessary -- clueless is a sufficient descriptor for many people in many roles (whether genuine behavior, strategic fiefdoming, or learned helplessness).

Here is the US BLS breakout of demographics by occupation category: https://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat11.htm

wongarsu7mo ago

To save everyone the click: HR managers: 76% female, HR workers: 75% female, HR assistants: 84% female.

imtringued7mo ago

That doesn't make the remaining 24% more clueful. Identifying a department by the gender of its workers seems pretty suspect.

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tomrod7mo ago

The distribution in other categories is fascinating, and HN doesn't format tables well.

Though "saving a click" typically refers to spammy clickbait news articles that bury the lede, which a statistical table directly relevant to the conversation does not qualify as.

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steeleyespan7mo ago

Reality denial and picking on people who state simple truth is evil.

LeafItAlone7mo ago

~80% of software developers are male. [1]

I’m not sure the percentage of companies that use software for highlighting candidates, but Anthropic almost certainly does and this [2] source says 75+% do.

So since men wrote the software that didn’t highlight the candidate, is it the clueless men that caused this?

[1] https://www.zippia.com/software-developer-jobs/demographics/

[2] https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/6/22659225/automated-hiring-...

planb7mo ago

Yes - people in HR departments are often female and often clueless, but I don't see the parent denying this. The wording of OP connected both though, which is sexist and can be considered "evil".

Levitz7mo ago

Funny enough, I see this whole framing as sexist itself.

Nobody would have bat an eye if he said "clueless guys" or "clueless gents", and given the prevalence of women in HR, that wording would actually have more chances of having a sexist background to it.

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elzbardico7mo ago

After years hearing justly about bad things perpetrated by males as a class, without any concerns about generalizations, I think we are mature enough to also call for responsibility in the other side of the aisle.

Having a free pass for doing evil stuff is what gave man their bad rep, should we now for equity give women a pass to become the new slave lords?

hollowonepl7mo ago

Nopes, nothing to the ladies in general nor any other gender in general. Just a shortcut to my own negative experience with HR by example. English is my foreign language and in my country we are not that allergic to terminology. But clueless processors stay as valid… regardless of particular denomination.

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tomrod7mo ago

Here is the US BLS breakout of demographics by occupation category: https://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat11.htm

wongarsu7mo ago

To save everyone the click: HR managers: 76% female, HR workers: 75% female, HR assistants: 84% female.

imtringued7mo ago

That doesn't make the remaining 24% more clueful. Identifying a department by the gender of its workers seems pretty suspect.

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tomrod7mo ago

The distribution in other categories is fascinating, and HN doesn't format tables well.

Though "saving a click" typically refers to spammy clickbait news articles that bury the lede, which a statistical table directly relevant to the conversation does not qualify as.

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steeleyespan7mo ago

Reality denial and picking on people who state simple truth is evil.

LeafItAlone7mo ago

~80% of software developers are male. [1]

I’m not sure the percentage of companies that use software for highlighting candidates, but Anthropic almost certainly does and this [2] source says 75+% do.

So since men wrote the software that didn’t highlight the candidate, is it the clueless men that caused this?

[1] https://www.zippia.com/software-developer-jobs/demographics/

[2] https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/6/22659225/automated-hiring-...

planb7mo ago

Yes - people in HR departments are often female and often clueless, but I don't see the parent denying this. The wording of OP connected both though, which is sexist and can be considered "evil".

Levitz7mo ago

Funny enough, I see this whole framing as sexist itself.

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elzbardico7mo ago

Having a free pass for doing evil stuff is what gave man their bad rep, should we now for equity give women a pass to become the new slave lords?

hollowonepl7mo ago

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse