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0 pointsflohofwoe9mo ago0 comments

"Mit dem Angriff Steiner's wird das alles in Ordnung kommen" ;)

As shitty as C++ is from today's PoV, the entire gaming industry switched over within around 3 years towards the end of the 90s. 6..7 years is a long time, and a single engine (especially when it's more or less just a runtime without editor and robust asset pipeline) won't change the bigger picture that Rust is a pretty poor choice for gamedev.

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eru9mo ago

> As shitty as C++ is from today's PoV, the entire gaming industry switched over within around 3 years towards the end of the 90s.

Did they? What's your evidence? Are you including consoles?

Btw, the alternatives in the 1990s were worse than they are now, so the bar to clear for eg C or C++ were lower.

flohofwoeOP9mo ago

I was there Gandalf... ;) Console SDKs offering C or C++ APIs doesn't really matter, because you can call C APIs from C++ just fine. So the language choice was a team and engine developer decision, not a platform owner decision (as it should be).

From what I've seen, around the late mid-90's, C++ usage was still rare, right before 2000 it was already common and most middleware didn't even offer C APIs anymore.

Of course a couple of years later Unity arrived and made the gamedev language choice more complicated again.

pjmlp9mo ago

As another Gandalf, Playstation 2 was the very first console to actually offer proper C++ tooling.

That would be 2000, until then Sega, Nintendo and Playstion only had C and Assembly SDKs, even the Playstation Yaroze for hobbists did get released only with C and Assembly support.

PC was naturally another matter, especialy with Watcom C/C++.

eru9mo ago

> I was there Gandalf... ;)

You were at most in one place. My question was rather, which corners of the industry are you counting?

However you are right that one of the killer features of C++ was that it provided a pretty simple upgrade path from C to (bad) C++.

It's not just API calls. You can call C APIs from most languages just fine.

flohofwoeOP9mo ago

My corner of the industry back then was mostly PC gamedev with occasional exploration of game consoles (but only starting with the OG Xbox. But that doesn't really matter much since it was obvious that the entire industry was very quickly moving to C++ (we had internet back then after all in my corner of the wood, as well as gamedev conferences to feel the general vibe).

id Software was kinda famous for being the last big C holdout, having only switched to C++ with Doom 3, and development of Doom 3 started in late 2000.

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eru9mo ago

> As shitty as C++ is from today's PoV, the entire gaming industry switched over within around 3 years towards the end of the 90s.

Did they? What's your evidence? Are you including consoles?

Btw, the alternatives in the 1990s were worse than they are now, so the bar to clear for eg C or C++ were lower.

flohofwoeOP9mo ago

From what I've seen, around the late mid-90's, C++ usage was still rare, right before 2000 it was already common and most middleware didn't even offer C APIs anymore.

Of course a couple of years later Unity arrived and made the gamedev language choice more complicated again.

pjmlp9mo ago

As another Gandalf, Playstation 2 was the very first console to actually offer proper C++ tooling.

That would be 2000, until then Sega, Nintendo and Playstion only had C and Assembly SDKs, even the Playstation Yaroze for hobbists did get released only with C and Assembly support.

PC was naturally another matter, especialy with Watcom C/C++.

eru9mo ago

> I was there Gandalf... ;)

You were at most in one place. My question was rather, which corners of the industry are you counting?

However you are right that one of the killer features of C++ was that it provided a pretty simple upgrade path from C to (bad) C++.

It's not just API calls. You can call C APIs from most languages just fine.

flohofwoeOP9mo ago

id Software was kinda famous for being the last big C holdout, having only switched to C++ with Doom 3, and development of Doom 3 started in late 2000.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse