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0 pointsaccount429mo ago0 comments

The language spec isn't bad just because it doesn't allow you to do what you want. Are you also upset that you need to add memory barriers where the memory model of the underlying platform doesn't need them?

Again, this isn't undefined behavior to fuck you over and compilers don't use it for optimizations because they hate you. It's because it makes a real difference for performance which is the primary reason low level languages are used.

If you for some reason want less efficient C++ then compilers even provide you flags to make this particular operation defined. There is no reason the rest of us have to suffer worse performance because of you.

Personally I would prefer if unsigned ints had the same undefined behavior by default with explicit functions for wrapping overflow. That would make developer intent much clearer and give tools a chance to diagnose unwanted overflow.

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adwn9mo ago

No, dangerous behavior should be opt-in, not opt-out. In 99.9 % of integer additions, overflow-is-UB won't make any difference performance-wise, but may still screw you over if you're unlucky. In the 0.1 % of cases where there's even the potential for a measurable speed-up, you'll want to careful craft your code anyway, and you can use explicit, UB-exploiting functions.

Rust does it right: The "+"-operator is wrapping in release builds (and throws an exception when debug-assertions are enabled), and there are explicit functions for checked/overflowing/saturating/strict/unchecked/wrapping addition [1]. The "unchecked" variant exploits UB-on-overflow and is marked as unsafe. These functions exist both for signed and unsigned integer types. Which once again shows that it's very well possible to design a sane, low-level language which is just as fast as C.

[1] https://doc.rust-lang.org/std/primitive.u32.html

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adwn9mo ago

[1] https://doc.rust-lang.org/std/primitive.u32.html

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