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0 pointseviks7mo ago0 comments

Of course it's correct, even Apple says so only using a different synonym unobscured https://developer.apple.com/documentation/appkit/nsscreen/sa...

> The distances from the screen’s edges at which content isn’t obscured.

> because you cannot guarantee

That's a condition you've added without justification. Nothing in the term requires it. The term's core benefit is that it's more clarity. Nothing more (in terms of extra guarantees), but nothing less.

But also, you can guarantee, read the API docs again:

> Content in the safe area is guaranteed to be unobscured

Like,

> “safe area to display in”.

So it's not a "safe area", it's a "potentially a safe area"

> bucking industry standard terminology

yes, bad standards should be bucked, preferably before they become standards, but the next best time is immediately after that or any time later.

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dagmx7mo ago

It’s not a bad standard just because you personally struggle to understand it. Lots of things have historical names, especially in computer graphics, that are now standard.

What is an absolute safe area or an unobstructed area in video then to you? How do you guarantee such a thing?

Please define one as such that accounts for all display types with appropriate verbiage. I’ll personally advocate for it in the film industry if you can come up with a term that is better than what the entirety of cinematic history has been able to think of.

Apple only claim that it’s unobstructed by their specific display edges and overlays but it doesn’t account for other display concerns. Hence safe area is still the most intuitive name.

Would you also like to go and argue with people about alpha channels?

eviksOP7mo ago

> It’s not a bad standard just because you personally struggle to understand it.

I'm not as bad at this as you are, I've explained why it's bad several times without a reference to my understanding, but you fail to understand that primitive explanation, so now think others also can't.

> Lots of things have historical names, especially in computer graphics, that are now standard.

So? Lots of things also change. You forgot to finish your thought.

> How do you guarantee such a thing?

I don't, I use an API that does

> Please define one as such that accounts for all display types with appropriate verbiage.

Your favorite term doesn't do that.

> I’ll personally advocate for it in the film industry if you can come up with a term that is better than what the entirety of cinematic history has been able to think of.

Oh no, that's a recipe for disaster, please stick to worshipping historic standards, don't ruin a tiny chance of progress!

> Apple only claim that it’s unobstructed by their specific display edges and overlays but it doesn’t account for other display concerns. Hence safe area is still the most intuitive name.

Apple only claim that unobstructed API is unobstructed by their specific display edges and overlays but it doesn’t account for other display concerns. Hence unobstructed area is still the most intuitive name because it still is the closest to the reality, and because "safe" is still not safe, so offers no benefit.

> Would you also like to go and argue with people about alpha channels?

What, are they sacred?

dagmx7mo ago

They’re not sacred but changing them gives a much lower payoff than the pain of changing.

None of your suggestions actually improve the situation. They’d just not scale the way you think they would to other display types when you query the safe area.

For example, Apple specifically calls out why they use the safe area term to correspond to different display types

> In tvOS, the safe area also includes the screen’s overscan insets, which represent the area covered by the screen’s bezel.

Unobstructed is longer, and provides no extra information of value. Go work in a visual industry and see how long before you get tired of saying title unobstructed and action unobstructed.

Again, you’re coming at this form the perspective of a lay person in the realm of displays and getting angered that the term isn’t immediately intuitive to you personally, rather than the entire industry that has a standard term that they use and have for many decades.

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0 pointseviks7mo ago0 comments

Of course it's correct, even Apple says so only using a different synonym unobscured https://developer.apple.com/documentation/appkit/nsscreen/sa...

> The distances from the screen’s edges at which content isn’t obscured.

> because you cannot guarantee

But also, you can guarantee, read the API docs again:

> Content in the safe area is guaranteed to be unobscured

Like,

> “safe area to display in”.

So it's not a "safe area", it's a "potentially a safe area"

> bucking industry standard terminology

yes, bad standards should be bucked, preferably before they become standards, but the next best time is immediately after that or any time later.

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dagmx7mo ago

It’s not a bad standard just because you personally struggle to understand it. Lots of things have historical names, especially in computer graphics, that are now standard.

What is an absolute safe area or an unobstructed area in video then to you? How do you guarantee such a thing?

Apple only claim that it’s unobstructed by their specific display edges and overlays but it doesn’t account for other display concerns. Hence safe area is still the most intuitive name.

Would you also like to go and argue with people about alpha channels?

eviksOP7mo ago

> It’s not a bad standard just because you personally struggle to understand it.

> Lots of things have historical names, especially in computer graphics, that are now standard.

So? Lots of things also change. You forgot to finish your thought.

> How do you guarantee such a thing?

I don't, I use an API that does

> Please define one as such that accounts for all display types with appropriate verbiage.

Your favorite term doesn't do that.

> I’ll personally advocate for it in the film industry if you can come up with a term that is better than what the entirety of cinematic history has been able to think of.

Oh no, that's a recipe for disaster, please stick to worshipping historic standards, don't ruin a tiny chance of progress!

> Apple only claim that it’s unobstructed by their specific display edges and overlays but it doesn’t account for other display concerns. Hence safe area is still the most intuitive name.

> Would you also like to go and argue with people about alpha channels?

What, are they sacred?

dagmx7mo ago

They’re not sacred but changing them gives a much lower payoff than the pain of changing.

None of your suggestions actually improve the situation. They’d just not scale the way you think they would to other display types when you query the safe area.

For example, Apple specifically calls out why they use the safe area term to correspond to different display types

> In tvOS, the safe area also includes the screen’s overscan insets, which represent the area covered by the screen’s bezel.

Unobstructed is longer, and provides no extra information of value. Go work in a visual industry and see how long before you get tired of saying title unobstructed and action unobstructed.

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