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0 pointsthrowaway2909mo ago0 comments

> No we think flat earthers are crazy because it's trivial to prove wrong, whereas religious belief is a matter of faith that can't really be proven one way or the other, regardless of how silly the belief is.

that you even say this may show how you learned to live with it because majority around you believes it and your human brain considers it suicide to go against the tribe. (Or maybe you believe it yourself)

it's trivial to prove there's no heaven or hell. Maybe as trivial as disprove flat earth.

Flat earth is very similar to religion. It's a belief. It perpetuates because people around you believe in flat earth and if you tell them how they are crazy then you will be outcast and lose friends and family. And hey spoiler alert this is the same reason you don't call religion crazy, because anywhere in the world 99% you have religious friends or family (except maybe north korea or china, then replace religion with dictator cult). Flat earthers are just unlucky because they are very small minority

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shkkmo9mo ago

> it's trivial to prove there's no heaven or hell.

You're conflating physics and metaphysics.

> Flat earth is very similar to religion

You seem to have a beef to pick with religion. There are religious groups that do function similar to flat earthers, but that isn't true of all religious groups and many of the smartest and open minded people in history have been religious.

If anything, by making this comparison you are legitimizing idiocy.

There's a big difference between taking a position on unknowable metaphysical topics and refusing to recognize or even look at evidence when presented to you.

throwaway290OP9mo ago

If you think I am legitimizing flat earthers you really don't get the point. I am just saying that for 90% of people belief in this or that mostly dictated by people around them.

> unknowable metaphysical topics

religious people often conveniently shift goalposts to make sure what they say is always beyond knowable. We launched satellites and found no heaven above? fine, it exists in some other way. No soul detected? our technology is not good enough. Flat earthers do almost the same thing just they use conspiracy theories instead.

If you want to find a difference between religion and flat earther theory, Christianity for example (not sure this applies to all religions) is supposedly helping humans live together better, like: be kind, do to others what you want be done to you, don't steal/kill/rape etc. But that's not really related to how it's proven or factual.

shkkmo9mo ago

> religious people often conveniently shift goalposts

It isn't "shifting goal posts"...It's called updating your beliefs when the evidence proves them wrong. Many religions have a strong history of doing this and it is something that flat earthers don't do.

> Flat earthers do almost the same thing just they use conspiracy theories instead.

If you don't understand the epistemological difference, you should try educating yourself. There is quite a bit of scholarly work on this...

wkat42429mo ago

Who cares about the tribe?

I have no issue saying I think religion is BS. I don't care if I lose friends over that tbh.

I just don't normally do so because a) it won't change their mind and b) I don't care what they believe. I still think it's crazy but that's fine. Everyone is a bit crazy anyway. And c) I prefer focusing on common ground than contradictions.

But tribes are overrated in this day and age. If you don't fit in you can just find another one that you do gel with. This changes over time too.

throwaway290OP9mo ago

You and everyone except psychopaths cares about tribes even if you don't think you do. Tribe = society. Social exclusion = death.

You can find new friends thanks to internet. Flat earthers and religious communities have more strong relations IRL than us here

wkat42429mo ago

Well what I mean is it doesn't matter if you piss off your tribe these days because you can just find another one that aligns better with you instead. No need to fake it to fit in. This is what's so great about today's globalised society and internet. There's always people like you somewhere within reach.

I could totally not live in a small country town where I'd be forced to pretend to be religious and care about sports. And I'm into other stuff like polyamory that small communities tend to hate.

So yeah that would be hell for me. I probably would end up excluded.

I also tend to change pretty radically every few years or so. Including finding a new country to live, new hobbies etc. So I have few long term ties anyway. I like it like that. I tend to feel trapped in too stable situations.

throwaway290OP9mo ago

You are a sociopath. This tends to reduce with age. Trust me for normies it's an insane scenario.

You seem to be specifically trying to show how you're not like most people, so in a way you support my point!

> So yeah that would be hell for me. I probably would end up excluded.

Why hell, if you don't have ties anyway and you are fine? You are contradicting yourself

> I also tend to change pretty radically every few years or so. Including finding a new country to live, new hobbies etc. So I have few long term ties anyway. I like it like that. I tend to feel trapped in too stable situations.

Yeah so if your long term ties were religious or flat earth you would likely be that too. Because people don't usually fuck with long term ties. Re my point

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shkkmo9mo ago

> it's trivial to prove there's no heaven or hell.

You're conflating physics and metaphysics.

> Flat earth is very similar to religion

If anything, by making this comparison you are legitimizing idiocy.

There's a big difference between taking a position on unknowable metaphysical topics and refusing to recognize or even look at evidence when presented to you.

throwaway290OP9mo ago

If you think I am legitimizing flat earthers you really don't get the point. I am just saying that for 90% of people belief in this or that mostly dictated by people around them.

> unknowable metaphysical topics

shkkmo9mo ago

> religious people often conveniently shift goalposts

> Flat earthers do almost the same thing just they use conspiracy theories instead.

If you don't understand the epistemological difference, you should try educating yourself. There is quite a bit of scholarly work on this...

wkat42429mo ago

Who cares about the tribe?

I have no issue saying I think religion is BS. I don't care if I lose friends over that tbh.

But tribes are overrated in this day and age. If you don't fit in you can just find another one that you do gel with. This changes over time too.

throwaway290OP9mo ago

You and everyone except psychopaths cares about tribes even if you don't think you do. Tribe = society. Social exclusion = death.

You can find new friends thanks to internet. Flat earthers and religious communities have more strong relations IRL than us here

wkat42429mo ago

I could totally not live in a small country town where I'd be forced to pretend to be religious and care about sports. And I'm into other stuff like polyamory that small communities tend to hate.

So yeah that would be hell for me. I probably would end up excluded.

throwaway290OP9mo ago

You are a sociopath. This tends to reduce with age. Trust me for normies it's an insane scenario.

You seem to be specifically trying to show how you're not like most people, so in a way you support my point!

> So yeah that would be hell for me. I probably would end up excluded.

Why hell, if you don't have ties anyway and you are fine? You are contradicting yourself

Yeah so if your long term ties were religious or flat earth you would likely be that too. Because people don't usually fuck with long term ties. Re my point

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