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0 pointsdylan6047mo ago0 comments

Why is it that your stance isn't the wrong one? Apple sells a device that is locked down. You buy it. You then complain that it was locked down, yet you knew this from the off. They do not sell it as a general purpose compute device. It is sold as a thing that runs apps. We don't complain when Playstations will not play Xbox or Switch games.

If you want to hack a device and get it do something other than what it was designed for, then that's the hacker spirit so go for it. But why does that mean we* all have to accept your way when we just want to run apps.

*royal we. i do not use apps as i don't trust any of you app developers to not be shady.

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reorder96957mo ago

I think there is a big difference due to the requirement of phones to live a normal life. I can't access my banks without the IOS or Android app, which require me to have a phone running one of those two fairly locked down OS's, and on Android custom ROMs frequently not working due to play integrity checks. I need a phone to go to concerts using ticketmaster, I need a phone with a mobile number to receive SMS 2fa codes, I need a phone for TOTP.

I can work around most things but not the banks, therefore a phone is required to live in a modern society, therefore I am required to use either Android or IOS. I am not required to have a PS5 or Xbox. This is the main reason I am so opposed to locking down phone OS's, I only have a choice of IOS or stock Android, and I have to choose one.

Almondsetat7mo ago

The way you have set up your argument suggests you would not use smartphones if they weren't "necessary" to live a normal life. But in that case, your smartphone can simply be one of the many black boxes you use daily, such as, for example, your public transportation or credit cards, which have a literal computer inside of them you never think about. You just create various accounts, install the apps you need, and use the phone as a tool when you are required to. Once its job is done, you tuck it away and you go on about your day.

reorder96957mo ago

I was coming from the perspective more of I can't use alternative operating systems on it due to these issues. For example, my laptop came with Windows, I got fed up with one drive and the tracking etc so I put linux on it, which was fine. I cannot do the same with my phone due to especially the banks, I know at least some of mine are unusable if I unlock my bootloader, so something like Lineage is off the table. This is what I mean by I have no choice in it, I have to use IOS or Android.

theshrike797mo ago

Exactly.

Everyone is so gung ho about running whatever they want on the very custom hardware Apple is selling.

But then complete silence about the PS5 and Xbox, which are 99% plain old PC hardware with a custom OS.

Why?

sapphicsnail7mo ago

Probably because you can buy a gaming PC. I don't complain very often about consoles being locked down because it doesn't affect me unless there's some platform exclusive I can't play. If there was a viable alternative to iOS or Android I wouldn't care quite so much about them.

theshrike797mo ago

You can also buy a phone with Sailfish OS or use a Linux phone. The option is always there.

I want to buy a PS5 and install SteamOS on it and play PC games. Why can't I?

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dylan604OP7mo ago

PS3 orig allowed yellow dog linux, and there was only a slight murmur when that feature was removed. to me that's worse as it is obvious it is possible, but only now not possible because vendor took it away compared to never allowing it from the start.

theshrike797mo ago

That's because it was there 100% for tax evasion :D

IIRC EU had a rule that "general purpose computers" had a significantly lower tax than "gaming devices" -> let users install Linux on it -> general purpose -> more money for Sony.

AlexeyBelov6mo ago

Complete silence? This is just not true.

But also, it doesn't matter, because it's a different topic. If someone wants A, it doesn't mean they are automatically wrong because they didn't also talk about B and C.

wkat42427mo ago

Google is going to be the exact same from next year (approving sideloaded apps) so there is simply no choice anymore.

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reorder96957mo ago

Almondsetat7mo ago

reorder96957mo ago

theshrike797mo ago

Exactly.

Everyone is so gung ho about running whatever they want on the very custom hardware Apple is selling.

But then complete silence about the PS5 and Xbox, which are 99% plain old PC hardware with a custom OS.

Why?

sapphicsnail7mo ago

theshrike797mo ago

You can also buy a phone with Sailfish OS or use a Linux phone. The option is always there.

I want to buy a PS5 and install SteamOS on it and play PC games. Why can't I?

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dylan604OP7mo ago

theshrike797mo ago

That's because it was there 100% for tax evasion :D

IIRC EU had a rule that "general purpose computers" had a significantly lower tax than "gaming devices" -> let users install Linux on it -> general purpose -> more money for Sony.

AlexeyBelov6mo ago

Complete silence? This is just not true.

But also, it doesn't matter, because it's a different topic. If someone wants A, it doesn't mean they are automatically wrong because they didn't also talk about B and C.

wkat42427mo ago

Google is going to be the exact same from next year (approving sideloaded apps) so there is simply no choice anymore.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse