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0 pointswatwut6mo ago0 comments

The comment was not about the policy’s actual real world impact. That is what I said in my second comment.

That comment was not an attempt to evaluate the policy, bit an attempt to make it sound better due to made up environmental concern.

We are overall already treating too many clearly bad faith arguments as if we all were naive polaynnas. There is no reason to insist on that as mandatory strategy.

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cosmicgadget6mo ago

How is shipping huge volumes of cheap plastic and single-use items a "made up environmental concern"?

Dylan168076mo ago

Mostly this is going to change which models people buy and make them go through distributers with less variety, not reduce wasteful production and designs.

For the actual shipping, even if we pretend this rule removes the trip across the ocean, that trip across the ocean would have let out a very small amount of pollution per pound. Worrying about cargo ships is iffy to begin with. But GP was talking about the concern being made up, not the underlying issue they're pretending to be concerned about. Fake motivations in a bad faith argument.

cosmicgadget6mo ago

I don't know the numbers, but certainly the marketing pushes people toward impulse buys (because everything is so cheap!). And, of course, the replacement cycle is a pretty big environmental impact.

Not sure I can say anything about the claim that some/most/all people expressing concerns over the environmental impact of low quality products are participating in bad faith. I guess you win?

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0 pointswatwut6mo ago0 comments

The comment was not about the policy’s actual real world impact. That is what I said in my second comment.

That comment was not an attempt to evaluate the policy, bit an attempt to make it sound better due to made up environmental concern.

We are overall already treating too many clearly bad faith arguments as if we all were naive polaynnas. There is no reason to insist on that as mandatory strategy.

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cosmicgadget6mo ago

How is shipping huge volumes of cheap plastic and single-use items a "made up environmental concern"?

Dylan168076mo ago

Mostly this is going to change which models people buy and make them go through distributers with less variety, not reduce wasteful production and designs.

cosmicgadget6mo ago

I don't know the numbers, but certainly the marketing pushes people toward impulse buys (because everything is so cheap!). And, of course, the replacement cycle is a pretty big environmental impact.

Not sure I can say anything about the claim that some/most/all people expressing concerns over the environmental impact of low quality products are participating in bad faith. I guess you win?

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