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0 pointsjraph6mo ago0 comments

You wouldn't spell out HyperText Markup Language each time.

RDF is one of those things it's easy to assume everybody has already encountered. RDF feels fundamental. Its predicate triplet design is fundamental, almost obvious (in hindsight?). It could not have not existed. Had RDF not existed, something else very similar would have appeared, it's a certitude.

But we might have reached a point where this assumption is quite false though. RDF and the semantic web were hot in the early 2000s, which was twenty years ago after all.

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rapnie6mo ago

Tim Berners-Lee, now co-founder of Inrupt [0], has launched Solid Project [1] where he kept working on semantic web concepts and linked data specs. Looks like Inrupt went full AI today. What ailed Solid was I think the academic approach mentioned in other comments, the heavy-weight specification process (inspired by W3C), and overlooking the fact that you better get your dev community on board and excited as a good road to adoption. Inrupt didn't spend much attention to their Solid community, except for the active followers in their chat channels, and were directly targeting commercial customers. I don't know the health of Solid project today, but there are a couple of interesting projects around social networking and the fediverse.

[0] https://www.inrupt.com/about

[1] https://solidproject.org/

mdhb6mo ago

I wish more people would get on board with Solid, it would solve a lot of the surveillance capitalism problems that plague modern society.

For what it’s worth, I think Solid is still very much “in development” and is a pre 1.0 thing no?

rapnie6mo ago

My impression too. I felt that in the past "solid apps" in practice boiled down to "rebooting the semantic web", and adopting / maturing the whole host of specs needed for end-to-end generic linked data app development defined by open standards. Solid as "Out with the old, in with the new. The web done right, this time". Which may be too ambitious.

Update: Reboot the semantic web seems still the goal. From About Solid page [0]:

> Solid is an open standard for structuring data, digital identities, and applications on the Web. Solid aims to support the creation of the Web as Sir Tim Berners-Lee originally envisioned it when he invented the Web at CERN in 1989. Tim sometimes refers to Solid as “the web - take 3" — or Web3.0 — because Solid integrates a new layer of standards into the Web we already have. The goal of Solid is for people to have more agency over their data.

A more manageable scope for the project would be "Personal data vaults for self-sovereign linked data" or something like that. That positioning would make me more interested than current "let's reboot" call-to-action.

[0] https://solidproject.org/about

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0 pointsjraph6mo ago0 comments

You wouldn't spell out HyperText Markup Language each time.

But we might have reached a point where this assumption is quite false though. RDF and the semantic web were hot in the early 2000s, which was twenty years ago after all.

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rapnie6mo ago

[0] https://www.inrupt.com/about

[1] https://solidproject.org/

mdhb6mo ago

I wish more people would get on board with Solid, it would solve a lot of the surveillance capitalism problems that plague modern society.

For what it’s worth, I think Solid is still very much “in development” and is a pre 1.0 thing no?

rapnie6mo ago

Update: Reboot the semantic web seems still the goal. From About Solid page [0]:

[0] https://solidproject.org/about

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