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0 pointsjoshjob428mo ago0 comments

I don't think it's appropriate to call someone you're talking to with disappearing messages turned off making a backup of the conversation so they have the (non-disappearing) message history if they drop their phone in a lake as "adversarial behavior".

If you don't want them to have a history only communicate via disappearing messages.

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elvisloops8mo ago

This post says disappearing messages are included in the backups. You have to enable disappearing messages with a timer of less than 24 hours to ensure that you can opt out.

joshjob42OP8mo ago

Sure but the backup happens each day and then gets overwritten/deleted when the next days backup happens (which then deletes the disappearing messages that are expiring express the next backup). It just ensures you have access to any messages that you’re supposed to have access to according to the timers on said messages.

elvisloops8mo ago

That's not how forward secrecy works. Ciphertext isn't "deleted" unless the key used to encrypt it is also deleted. That's the point of Signal's cutting edge protocol. This undoes all of that.

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elvisloops8mo ago

This post says disappearing messages are included in the backups. You have to enable disappearing messages with a timer of less than 24 hours to ensure that you can opt out.

joshjob42OP8mo ago

elvisloops8mo ago

That's not how forward secrecy works. Ciphertext isn't "deleted" unless the key used to encrypt it is also deleted. That's the point of Signal's cutting edge protocol. This undoes all of that.

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