Google Ends Support for Lynx Browser

102 pointszhenyi6mo ago43 comments

Accessing google.com in Lynx now shows:

  Google
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  Your browser isn't supported anymore. To continue your search, upgrade to a recent version. [Learn more]

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salted-fry6mo ago

I just tested changing user agents in Chrome - setting UA to a random string like "fff" gets a search page, but setting it to "Links" or "Lynx" gets "Your browser isn't supported anymore" - which is to say, this doesn't look accidental, but more like these UAs are specifically being blocked.

EDIT: Forging user agent in Links (with links -http.fake-user-agent) gets a usable homepage, but the results page just sends you to a turn-on-your-javascript page.

extraduder_ire6mo ago

My impression is that support for less common browsers and other unusual uses of google products has survived due to pet interest by individual googlers and not any sort of widespread policy.

kn0where6mo ago

A lot of those individual googlers are longtimers who are now leaving after 15, 20 years. Google has been offering voluntary exit packages this year and I suspect the kind of people who would value Google.com working in Lynx are also the type who have made plenty of money and are disillusioned by what the company has become.

eimrine6mo ago

Google loves to search the result with a real URL but since I make any click on that result Google replaces it with some referral link. For example, if I want to open the result not from my connection but from Tor I need to clean each link by hand or even type it from scratch. I am sure this ban was made for poisoning UX for console guys too. What a pity I didn't know I could search from console browser and having more easy life.

Elfener6mo ago

This extension removes that behaviour: https://github.com/Rob--W/dont-track-me-google

ryao6mo ago

I wonder to what extent visually disabled internet users are affected by this, since I can imagine at least some of them using lynx with an on-screen reader for a terminal emulator.

duskwuff6mo ago

Not to any meaningful degree. Lynx (or other terminal-based browsers) would be an extraordinarily poor choice of browser for a non-sighted user, as it lays text out visually in the terminal (e.g. using color and indentation to distinguish between types of text) and does not provide accessibility cues. Those users are much better served by standard GUI web browsers.

bitpush6mo ago

What's the advantage of using lynx as opposed to Chrome/Safari and using the read aloud features?

ryao6mo ago

Ask someone who is visually impaired. I know that they historically use browsers that do not support JavaScript. I also am acquainted with one developer who uses software for reading his terminal outloud, although I never asked the specifics of what he uses for web browsing or IRC for that matter. I do know that he loves the iPhone.

That said, I just found this post by a blind person who uses Lynx and complained about it the last time Google broke Lynx support:

https://blind.guru/blog/2019-11-25-endofgoogle.html

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ChrisArchitect6mo ago

Suggest changing title to something along lines of "Tell HN: Accessing google in lynx now shows unsupported"

Maybe, like in 2019 when a similar submission got traction, you'll be able to get it restored.

(I am no longer able to use Google with Lynx https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21626995)

userbinator6mo ago

Try asking the Google employee there directly if you can.

RAM-bunctious6mo ago

I don't feel it's particularly controversial to think that Javascript shouldn't be a requirement to use the internet. This is one step towards making that the case.

rgreekguy6mo ago

From a normal browser (don't ask me what I mean by that), with its normal/default user agent, Google search does not work without Javascript. I think at all, any more, but at some point I had got rate limited of sorts, after using the search without Javascript for a little, I got a prompt to enable it.

anon13956mo ago

Seems like they are cracking down on people who use Google without JavaScript.

teejmya6mo ago

Try http://frogfind.com/

benbristow6mo ago

Server error

maltelandwehr6mo ago

This is more about requiring JavaScript that blocking specific browsers. I think all the new LLM labs (plus all the tools offering SEO services for LLM-based search and answer engines) finally reached a limit of scraping that Google no longer can sustain.

stefanos826mo ago

Seems like elinks is affected too...bummer!

flaptrap6mo ago

The most efficient way to search is to read the text. Waiting for images to download and then admire them cannot improve that. It looks like Google has lost relevance and is telling us, again.

hulitu6mo ago

> The most efficient way to search is to read the text.

"Maybe for you"

> Waiting for images to download and then admire them cannot improve that.

"It does improve the way we track you"

> It looks like Google has lost relevance and is telling us, again.

They just got patted on the back by regulators in US so they don't give a fsck.

SnuffBox6mo ago

I noticed this the other day as I (previously) used an old Firefox UA to get a more simple, streamlined legacy interface. I don't know why they did this.

xacky6mo ago

Internet Explorer versions below 11 are getting the message too. Impacting those who use legacy Windows versions.

samtheDamned6mo ago

maybe this is a knee-jerk reaction but I don't see any good reason for this. At it's core Google's job is to take an input and list outputs. The marketshare of people using lynx is small enough that whatever advertising or ai extras they want to squeeze in won't be meaningfully impacted by not working on lynx.

Edit: corrected spelling error

pachouli-please6mo ago

Google's job is to sell ads, not provide accessibility to text-only browsers.

(for the record I grow to dislike g more every day, and also this move)

codedokode6mo ago

Internet marketers can misuse this to send lot of automated requests instead of paying for API access.

bdhcuidbebe6mo ago

Lol, what?

Anyone can spoof UA…

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hieloz6mo ago

whoogle search is affected now.

userbinator6mo ago

I wonder if an Invidious or Nitter-like solution will be coming soon, as no doubt me and countless others, although still a minority, are now truly motivated to do something about it.

These bastards have truly ruined what's left of the open Internet. Google, FUCK YOU!

gh02t6mo ago

For search, you mean? SearXNG has been around for a while and is excellent. I have used it for years as my main search. Not sure if it supports lynx but a least they don't arbitrarily block it.

bdhcuidbebe6mo ago

You wonder…

Just google it.

https://search.sethforprivacy.com/

How do kids today even survive online?

userbinator6mo ago

Just google it.

You might want to take a look at the context.

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horseradish7k6mo ago

4get is pretty decent

d--b6mo ago

yet another use for https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45181535

LargoLasskhyfv6mo ago

Is Google exempted from the ADA?

bitpush6mo ago

Safari offers https://www.apple.com/accessibility/ features, so I'm pretty sure someone with visual disability can access google no issues.

LargoLasskhyfv6mo ago

Seriously? Apple only?

But Linux! And *BSD! Or some Illumos.

Or in general just some effin textmode terminal, running whatever is able to run Lynx/Links/Elinks(2?).

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ChrisArchitect6mo ago

Related discussion earlier this year:

Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42747092

TorstenK6mo ago

When resources are an issue, this does matter. I use to store previous Lynx/ Links search results in history lists, to allow browsing within local files later. Creating such lists with Firefox is a mess. (This browser tends to block my Thinpad for hours.) Really sad. Google was a key to the internet. Torsten

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse

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salted-fry6mo ago

EDIT: Forging user agent in Links (with links -http.fake-user-agent) gets a usable homepage, but the results page just sends you to a turn-on-your-javascript page.

extraduder_ire6mo ago

My impression is that support for less common browsers and other unusual uses of google products has survived due to pet interest by individual googlers and not any sort of widespread policy.

kn0where6mo ago

eimrine6mo ago

Elfener6mo ago

This extension removes that behaviour: https://github.com/Rob--W/dont-track-me-google

ryao6mo ago

I wonder to what extent visually disabled internet users are affected by this, since I can imagine at least some of them using lynx with an on-screen reader for a terminal emulator.

duskwuff6mo ago

bitpush6mo ago

What's the advantage of using lynx as opposed to Chrome/Safari and using the read aloud features?

ryao6mo ago

That said, I just found this post by a blind person who uses Lynx and complained about it the last time Google broke Lynx support:

https://blind.guru/blog/2019-11-25-endofgoogle.html

1 more reply

ChrisArchitect6mo ago

Suggest changing title to something along lines of "Tell HN: Accessing google in lynx now shows unsupported"

Maybe, like in 2019 when a similar submission got traction, you'll be able to get it restored.

(I am no longer able to use Google with Lynx https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21626995)

userbinator6mo ago

Try asking the Google employee there directly if you can.

RAM-bunctious6mo ago

I don't feel it's particularly controversial to think that Javascript shouldn't be a requirement to use the internet. This is one step towards making that the case.

rgreekguy6mo ago

anon13956mo ago

Seems like they are cracking down on people who use Google without JavaScript.

teejmya6mo ago

Try http://frogfind.com/

benbristow6mo ago

Server error

maltelandwehr6mo ago

stefanos826mo ago

Seems like elinks is affected too...bummer!

flaptrap6mo ago

The most efficient way to search is to read the text. Waiting for images to download and then admire them cannot improve that. It looks like Google has lost relevance and is telling us, again.

hulitu6mo ago

> The most efficient way to search is to read the text.

"Maybe for you"

> Waiting for images to download and then admire them cannot improve that.

"It does improve the way we track you"

> It looks like Google has lost relevance and is telling us, again.

They just got patted on the back by regulators in US so they don't give a fsck.

SnuffBox6mo ago

I noticed this the other day as I (previously) used an old Firefox UA to get a more simple, streamlined legacy interface. I don't know why they did this.

xacky6mo ago

Internet Explorer versions below 11 are getting the message too. Impacting those who use legacy Windows versions.

samtheDamned6mo ago

Edit: corrected spelling error

pachouli-please6mo ago

Google's job is to sell ads, not provide accessibility to text-only browsers.

(for the record I grow to dislike g more every day, and also this move)

codedokode6mo ago

Internet marketers can misuse this to send lot of automated requests instead of paying for API access.

bdhcuidbebe6mo ago

Lol, what?

Anyone can spoof UA…

1 more reply

hieloz6mo ago

whoogle search is affected now.

userbinator6mo ago

I wonder if an Invidious or Nitter-like solution will be coming soon, as no doubt me and countless others, although still a minority, are now truly motivated to do something about it.

These bastards have truly ruined what's left of the open Internet. Google, FUCK YOU!

gh02t6mo ago

For search, you mean? SearXNG has been around for a while and is excellent. I have used it for years as my main search. Not sure if it supports lynx but a least they don't arbitrarily block it.

bdhcuidbebe6mo ago

You wonder…

Just google it.

https://search.sethforprivacy.com/

How do kids today even survive online?

userbinator6mo ago

Just google it.

You might want to take a look at the context.

1 more reply

horseradish7k6mo ago

4get is pretty decent

d--b6mo ago