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0 pointsadgjlsfhk16mo ago0 comments

you know what's really stupid? when we give someone a student visa and then don't have a easy to keep them in the country on a work visa

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pandaman6mo ago

How so? Anybody who has a student visa had to prove that she or he has strong ties to the home country and no intent to remain in the Untied States, and that she or he only needs to get education in the US to come back and apply it for the home country's benefit.

If these people have not defrauded the US then they would not know what to do with a work visa as they'd be hurrying back home as soon as they received their diploma, pulled by those strong ties and the desire to finally put the education to use at home.

ahmeneeroe-v26mo ago

Student visas in the US come with the right to work for some time after graduation. If the foreign student isn’t valuable enough to stay after a degree and multiple years of work I think it’s fine to send them home.

But me personally, I advocate many fewer student visas.

nikkwong6mo ago

What world are you living in? Many Chinese come in on student visas, get jobs at FAANG and then have to move back to their country after losing the H1-B. These are the people we want, doing the jobs that we want them to do, and we’re too nearsighted to figure out how to keep them.

Again, these are the most talented, most affluent minds that China has to offer. Sure, let’s have them work for the CCP rather than keeping them in the west.

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8note6mo ago

what does valuable enough to stay mean? that they have the job?

fastball6mo ago

Indeed, though if you make that route too easy (or with limited oversight), you end up with diploma mills that aren't actually educating anyone. Incentives are hard to align well.

marticode6mo ago

It wouldn't be hard to select and accredit at least the better universities. Giving an automatic work visa to every foreign Ivy graduate should be a no-brainier. You could take the top 30% or 50% ranked US News universities and accredit those, or some similar heuristics.

ahmeneeroe-v26mo ago

Great point, and since the post-graduation right to work is already a thing I believe this has already happened

mc326mo ago

Is that a thing in most countries? Like if I go to university in Brazil I can easily get a job as a foreigner there?

adgjlsfhk1OP6mo ago

Brazil isn't a great example here since it is a Portuguese speaking country leading to relatively low immegration, but for Germany, for example a work visa takes 1-3 months to process, and unlike h1b there is no quota.

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pandaman6mo ago

ahmeneeroe-v26mo ago

But me personally, I advocate many fewer student visas.

nikkwong6mo ago

Again, these are the most talented, most affluent minds that China has to offer. Sure, let’s have them work for the CCP rather than keeping them in the west.

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8note6mo ago

what does valuable enough to stay mean? that they have the job?

fastball6mo ago

Indeed, though if you make that route too easy (or with limited oversight), you end up with diploma mills that aren't actually educating anyone. Incentives are hard to align well.

marticode6mo ago

ahmeneeroe-v26mo ago

Great point, and since the post-graduation right to work is already a thing I believe this has already happened

mc326mo ago

Is that a thing in most countries? Like if I go to university in Brazil I can easily get a job as a foreigner there?

adgjlsfhk1OP6mo ago

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