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0 pointskennywinker6mo ago0 comments

So, we should just do business as usual with countries committing war crimes or genocide? Aggressors in war, users of chemical weapons on their own people?

I’m aware there are consequences to sanctions, and the way they are implemented is often half-assed or hypocritical (e.g. the way that russian oil still flows) but to drop all sanctions…

Is that not like saying boycotts hurt employees who had nothing to do with the decisions so we should never boycott?

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eunos6mo ago

Or moving towards a multipolar equilibrium so that a pole can't unilaterally decide about those.

kennywinkerOP6mo ago

What does that mean? Like in a practical sense - russia declares war on ukraine… next step is? Move towards a multipolar equilibrium? How? How long does that take.

Yes ideally we’d live in a world where this bullshit doesn’t happen. But it does happen, so our choices are to respond with the tools we have NOW or not respond at all.

sorushn6mo ago

> So, we should just do business as usual with countries committing war crimes or genocide? Aggressors in war, users of chemical weapons on their own people?

That's what the US has been doing since forever, even actively participating in the war crimes. If you think any of the stated reasons for the sanctions are real, I have a bridge to sell you.

kennywinkerOP6mo ago

> That's what the US has been doing since forever

And you think this is a good thing? Like we should be consistent and support all war crimes instead of just some of them?

Just because we do bad things, doesn’t make it right to do more bad things.

jazzyjackson6mo ago

Other countries are perfectly welcome to sanction the USA, by all means tell me more about this bridge

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0 pointskennywinker6mo ago0 comments

So, we should just do business as usual with countries committing war crimes or genocide? Aggressors in war, users of chemical weapons on their own people?

I’m aware there are consequences to sanctions, and the way they are implemented is often half-assed or hypocritical (e.g. the way that russian oil still flows) but to drop all sanctions…

Is that not like saying boycotts hurt employees who had nothing to do with the decisions so we should never boycott?

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eunos6mo ago

Or moving towards a multipolar equilibrium so that a pole can't unilaterally decide about those.

kennywinkerOP6mo ago

What does that mean? Like in a practical sense - russia declares war on ukraine… next step is? Move towards a multipolar equilibrium? How? How long does that take.

Yes ideally we’d live in a world where this bullshit doesn’t happen. But it does happen, so our choices are to respond with the tools we have NOW or not respond at all.

sorushn6mo ago

> So, we should just do business as usual with countries committing war crimes or genocide? Aggressors in war, users of chemical weapons on their own people?

That's what the US has been doing since forever, even actively participating in the war crimes. If you think any of the stated reasons for the sanctions are real, I have a bridge to sell you.

kennywinkerOP6mo ago

> That's what the US has been doing since forever

And you think this is a good thing? Like we should be consistent and support all war crimes instead of just some of them?

Just because we do bad things, doesn’t make it right to do more bad things.

jazzyjackson6mo ago

Other countries are perfectly welcome to sanction the USA, by all means tell me more about this bridge

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse