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0 pointsheap_perms5mo ago0 comments

Chess.com is fundamentally a scam operation masquerading as a premium service. They've built an empire by paywalking features that should be free - and ARE free elsewhere. Lichess proves every single day that unlimited puzzles, deep analysis, opening exploration, and even advanced features like studies and cloud analysis don't need to cost a dime. They're open-source, ad-free, and completely transparent about their finances.

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BobAliceInATree5mo ago

That's still not a scam. They tell you what you're paying for. If you don't like it, then go somewhere else. There's no deception going on.

hyperhopper5mo ago

So the hecklers selling overpriced trinkets at every major tourist attraction in Europe or the US aren't scams? I disagree.

scott_w5mo ago

Unless they're trying to force them on you, no, they're not. Them being annoying as fuck doesn't mean they're dishonest.

teiferer5mo ago

So like Windows then? Cause a free alternative exists?

Or farmers markets? Cause you can just grow all those crops for free yourself.

Or carpenters? Just get some tools, do your home renovations for free.

Or sex workers? Cause you can just go to a bar and get it for free.

Oh, they are differences between the free and the pay options? The occupy different niches in the marketplace? You don't say. Maybe they are not scams after all, just cater to different tastes.

(I also prefer lichess over chess.com but that doesn't mean I think this is a reasonable argument.)

heap_permsOP5mo ago

A better analogy: imagine if someone built a public water fountain, then chess.com set up next to it selling the exact same water for $100/year while limiting the public fountain to 1 cup per day through lobbying. Then they sponsored all the popular hydration influencers to only drink their bottled water on camera.

> Cause you can just go to a bar and get it for free.

Not at the same convenience, can you ;) So they are selling convenience. Chess.com isn't selling convenience - both platforms are websites you access identically. They're not offering portability or solving a distribution problem. They're artificially limiting a digital service that costs them essentially nothing to provide unlimited access to.

monkey_monkey5mo ago

How, specifically, are chess.com limiting anyone using lichess?

teiferer5mo ago

> that costs them essentially nothing

If you know how to run such a platform for free, then I'm sure you could sell your knowledge for a lot of money. And the company running chess.com would be your highest paying customer.

In other words, I think you are underestimating the effort. Just ask the lichess guys.

watwut5mo ago

None of that makes it a scam. It makes it "more expensive".

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BobAliceInATree5mo ago

That's still not a scam. They tell you what you're paying for. If you don't like it, then go somewhere else. There's no deception going on.

hyperhopper5mo ago

So the hecklers selling overpriced trinkets at every major tourist attraction in Europe or the US aren't scams? I disagree.

scott_w5mo ago

Unless they're trying to force them on you, no, they're not. Them being annoying as fuck doesn't mean they're dishonest.

teiferer5mo ago

So like Windows then? Cause a free alternative exists?

Or farmers markets? Cause you can just grow all those crops for free yourself.

Or carpenters? Just get some tools, do your home renovations for free.

Or sex workers? Cause you can just go to a bar and get it for free.

Oh, they are differences between the free and the pay options? The occupy different niches in the marketplace? You don't say. Maybe they are not scams after all, just cater to different tastes.

(I also prefer lichess over chess.com but that doesn't mean I think this is a reasonable argument.)

heap_permsOP5mo ago

> Cause you can just go to a bar and get it for free.

monkey_monkey5mo ago

How, specifically, are chess.com limiting anyone using lichess?

teiferer5mo ago

> that costs them essentially nothing

If you know how to run such a platform for free, then I'm sure you could sell your knowledge for a lot of money. And the company running chess.com would be your highest paying customer.

In other words, I think you are underestimating the effort. Just ask the lichess guys.

watwut5mo ago

None of that makes it a scam. It makes it "more expensive".

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