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0 pointstialaramex5mo ago0 comments

If you're getting pwned a physical Security Key still means bad guys don't have the actual credential (there's no way to get that), and they have to work relatively hard to even create a situation where maybe you to let them use the credential you do have (inside the Security Key) while they're in position to exploit you.

These devices want a physical interaction (this is called "User present") for most operations, typically signified by having a push button or contact sensor, so the attacker needs to have a proof of identity ready to sign, send that over - then persuade the user to push the button or whatever. It's not that difficult but it's one more step and if that doesn't work you wasted your shot.

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amenghra5mo ago

Malicious binary steals browser cookies giving attacker access to all active sessions?

FreakLegion5mo ago

It gets better. With malware on the box you own the primary refresh token, which can mint new browser tokens without needing passwords or MFA.

Definitely use FIDO2, but understand that it's not foolproof. Malware, OAuth phishing, XSS, DNS hijacking, etc. will still pwn you.

mr_mitm5mo ago

All your 2FA apps, token, security keys, certificates and what not only protect the authentication (and in the case of online banking, a few other actions like transferring money). After that, a single bearer token authenticates each request. If your endpoint is compromised, the attackers will simply steal the bearer token after you authenticate.

tialaramexOP5mo ago

That's true, but in terms of system design you definitely should ask to see the proof of identity again during unusual transactions and not just that bearer token - for example attempts to add or remove 2FA should need that extra step, as well as say high value financial transactions or irreversible system changes.

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