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0 pointsOutOfHere5mo ago0 comments

If you haven't read first-hand reports, then you haven't read all that much. If you search on Reddit, you may see many reports. It happened to me personally after I started using their CPU at nearly 100% for about two months. That's a report for you. They're cheap because they don't actually want people using what they're paying for. This is a theme that I have seen with German services.

Speaking of their rules, those are a bit insane too. Speaking of "flouting rules", any prospective user should think about whether it's okay for a cloud vendor to keep spying on which processes the user is running, even without a court order; it is not okay.

If you keep moving the goalpost, then you will understand nothing. You might as well be an employee of Hetzner.

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vidarh5mo ago

I've maxed out lots of CPUs at Hetzner over many years, and across multiple companies, and had clients do the same, so I find your claim to be dubious unless you're talking about shared CPU cloud instances in which case I wouldn't be surprised but also wouldn't consider it unfair.

So let me revise that to say I haven't seen any reports I can 1) verify are first hand, and 2) know accurately reflect an actual unfair termination. That is also why I don't bother going around reading accounts on Reddit.

OutOfHereOP5mo ago

Maxing out a CPU for a day or a week doesn't count. It has to stay maxed out close to for a month, maybe more.

There are no "fair" terminations except without a court order. You will understand when it happens to you. Also, there is no way for you to determine if a report of a a termination is "unfair". In this way, you will continue reveling in your limited worldview.

I have seen this multiple times with German providers. They promise to serve, then when the user really genuinely exercises the service, they cancel the user.

vidarh5mo ago

I notice you've avoided addressing the issue of whether you were on a shared instance, where the point very much is that they're not meant for workloards that will pin the resources on an ongoing basis. On the dedicated servers they won't know whether you max it out or not.

That you're being evasive makes it very much sound like you used them in ways you should have expected would be treated accordingly.

If you've run into this multiple times, it very much sounds like a "you problem".

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PeterStuer5mo ago

Just curious: Was this a colo, dedicated server, managed server or VPS? And since you mention "CPU at nearly 100% for about two months", was this potentially crypto mining?

OutOfHereOP5mo ago

There was no crypto mining involved whatsoever. There was some crypto analysis involved, among unrelated other analyses, but no mining.

If you think about it, Hetzner had to be spying on my activities in very close detail to see what I am doing. Such unnecessary spying (without a court order) alone should detract anyone from using them. Assuming they copied my disk image and subjected it to a scan, it's very possible that they retained my confidential data without my permission. Is this the kind of cloud provider that anyone should use?

As for the type of server, it really shouldn't matter. The service exists to be used. People don't rent say 24 core or 48 core servers just to pass the time and pay money for nothing.

PeterStuer5mo ago

Hetzner just like every major other server/cloud rental out their does prohibit crypto related activities in their products. This is not limited to "mining".

They do not need to access you disk to determine that. They can just observe behavioural patterns and use heuristics. E.g. 24/7 100% cpu, low data, port traffic on typical crypto related protocols to known crypto endpoints will raise red flags.

They can terminate you for any or no reason with 30 days notice, and terminate service immediately for suspected abuse or non compliance.

Seems this already happened twice to you. You can try any non specialized cloud or server renting provider, and the result will be the same.

The type of server, dedicated vs shared, very much does matter. If you grab a shared resource for 100%, you deny all other shared users their usage opportunity. Bursting upto 100% occasionally is very different from 100% sustained. You know this very well, and you are reasoning from a bad faith pov. Using a shared resource 100% by definition makes it not shared.

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vidarh5mo ago

OutOfHereOP5mo ago

Maxing out a CPU for a day or a week doesn't count. It has to stay maxed out close to for a month, maybe more.

I have seen this multiple times with German providers. They promise to serve, then when the user really genuinely exercises the service, they cancel the user.

vidarh5mo ago

That you're being evasive makes it very much sound like you used them in ways you should have expected would be treated accordingly.

If you've run into this multiple times, it very much sounds like a "you problem".

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PeterStuer5mo ago

Just curious: Was this a colo, dedicated server, managed server or VPS? And since you mention "CPU at nearly 100% for about two months", was this potentially crypto mining?

OutOfHereOP5mo ago

There was no crypto mining involved whatsoever. There was some crypto analysis involved, among unrelated other analyses, but no mining.

As for the type of server, it really shouldn't matter. The service exists to be used. People don't rent say 24 core or 48 core servers just to pass the time and pay money for nothing.

PeterStuer5mo ago

Hetzner just like every major other server/cloud rental out their does prohibit crypto related activities in their products. This is not limited to "mining".

They can terminate you for any or no reason with 30 days notice, and terminate service immediately for suspected abuse or non compliance.

Seems this already happened twice to you. You can try any non specialized cloud or server renting provider, and the result will be the same.

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