"Pacific Investment Management Co. (PIMCO) is the anchor lender on the deal. The debt, which matures in 2049, is fully amortising and has been rated A+ by S&P. The bonds were priced at around 225 basis points over U.S. Treasuries."
https://pe-insights.com/blue-owl-and-meta-close-record-30bn-...
Oof.. I don't know about this one.
Ugh. A year ago, I was (a) fairly confident that the AI bubble would burst, but (b) fairly confident that contagion would be limited; a bunch of startups would evaporate, and some VCs would be badly burned or fail, but the broader economy would largely shrug and carry on.
Based on this sort of thing, I'm not sure I still believe (b).
1. Yes, there is a bubble, but it's not the same. Companies are profitable.
2. It may burst, but this may go on for another 2+ years. No one knows.
3. Even after the burst, we would have valuable AI infrastructure, just like all the excess internet capacities after the Dotcom.
Base on this, I think the bubble will burst sooner. Sentiment can shift real quick.
Does this mean that this investment spreads the bubble burst risk into people's pension funds? (those lucky enough to have such a thing) Or, not necessarily?
> Blue Owl Capital Inc. and Meta will split ownership of the Hyperion data center site in Richland Parish, Louisiana, with the tech giant retaining just 20% of it, according to people with knowledge of the matter. To finance the build-out, Morgan Stanley arranged over $27 billion of debt and about $2.5 billion of equity into a special purpose vehicle
At 225 over (current?) treasuries:
> The bonds priced at about 225 basis points over Treasuries,
Louisiana residents better expect higher energy costs soon as well that’s for sure. No way entergy is content eating the costs of these investments and the state basically has an allergy to taxing or in any way financially inconveniencing companies.
The way things typically go in LA the only guarantee is the residents will be on the losing end in some form or fashion (also many politicians are probably skimming off plenty for themselves and their buddies). Especially with Landry at the helm.
(Meta? Blue Owl Capital's institutional investors? Blue Owl Capital's private investors?)
Maybe we'll be blessed by AI companies making money but staying under usage projections. Then, those areas have more power.
Remember how much time and money they burned on Metaverse? They’ve got nothing to show for it. And wasn’t only like 1-2 years ago they stopped publishing DAU’s in favor of a more favorable metric?
Someone feel free to correct me but they seemed to be just dipping their toes into a bit of a house of cards situation just a couple of years ago.
I assume eventually all this investment should result in price drops for cloud GPU rates. Maybe somebody has setup an automated rate aggregator and collected the data? It would be interesting to see the historical data and monitor the changes, like dollars per TFLOP/hr or something standardized to track over time like other economic data or prices. EDIT: this is along the lines and pretty interesting — https://www.unitedcompute.ai/gpu-price-tracker
I know I’m mixing two different thoughts but they are connected in my head for entrepreneurs interested in starting independent tech/AI/LLM businesses needing heavy compute infrastructure.
Old GPUs (ex hopper, A100) prices has been dropping but the new ones will go up.. so yes it doesn’t need to crash for you to have cheaper gpus
Or maybe they’re ok with the collateral on offer.
If Blue Owl is providing capital for an equity slice, they get huge leverage on their cut baked into the deal. Pension funds that may end up buying debt in the deal eventually don't want to actually fund the equity of the project and take the risk booting it all up while sitting at the front of the capital stack with corresponding risk of getting wiped out (even if it's a Meta partnership), they simply want securitized fixed income, and make it as vanilla as possible.
So the question is more "will Private Credit (or pension funds/institutions) take debt backed by datacenter collateral with long term service agreements with Meta" and the answer is yes. There is much lower quality stuff than that in the PC space.
But the one thing that doesn’t compute is the commitment. There is a long term obligation now incurred by meta to use this infrastructure. If it’s a capital lease I assume this is now a liability on their books (and disclosures)?
But tech companies horde cash because they don't have anywhere they see as a good investment.
You'd think investing in their own data centers would get a better return than cash.
Kind of makes you wonder why everyone is so eager to fund these projects for them.
In terms of corporate capital structure, shareholder returns are usually maximized by taking on at least some debt (leverage). The precise optimal proportion of debt depends on several factors, particularly credit rating.
You'll be paying a higher rate of interest on your loan than you're receiving on your cash.
You'd be better off taking the $1m directly out of your cash pile.