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0 pointsivape5mo ago0 comments

it's the structure of how we humans rely on jobs for income

1. We don’t need everyone in society to be involved in trade.

2. We made it so that if you do not take part in trade (trade labor for income), you cannot live.

3. Thus, people will fear losing their ability to trade in society.

The question is, when did we make this shift? It used to just be slavery, and you would be able to survive so long as you slaved.

The fear is coming from something odd, the reality that you won’t have to trade anymore to live. Our society has convinced us you won’t have any value otherwise.

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brap5mo ago

>We made it so that if you do not take part in trade (trade labor for income), you cannot live.

We did not make it so, this has been the natural state for as long as humans have existed, and in fact, it’s been this way for every other life form on Earth.

Maybe with post-scarcity (if it ever happens) there could be other ways of living. We can dream. But let’s not pretend that “life requires effort” is some sort of temporary unnatural abomination made by capitalists. It’s really just a fact.

ivapeOP5mo ago

You think every other life form on earth survives due to trading with each other? Most of human history has been some contingent contract between owner and labor, where most humans lived under some form of servitude or just pure slavery.

Paradigm shift means, “I can live without being involved in a financial contract with another entity”. This is the milestone before us.

brap5mo ago

It certainly survives by working, one way or another.

My point is that until now, we have never been able to find a functioning system that frees us from work (trade is just one type of work, so is hunting for survival, or photosynthesis), and until something changes dramatically (like a machine that caters to our every need), I find it hard to believe this can change.

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0 pointsivape5mo ago0 comments

it's the structure of how we humans rely on jobs for income

1. We don’t need everyone in society to be involved in trade.

2. We made it so that if you do not take part in trade (trade labor for income), you cannot live.

3. Thus, people will fear losing their ability to trade in society.

The question is, when did we make this shift? It used to just be slavery, and you would be able to survive so long as you slaved.

The fear is coming from something odd, the reality that you won’t have to trade anymore to live. Our society has convinced us you won’t have any value otherwise.

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brap5mo ago

>We made it so that if you do not take part in trade (trade labor for income), you cannot live.

We did not make it so, this has been the natural state for as long as humans have existed, and in fact, it’s been this way for every other life form on Earth.

ivapeOP5mo ago

Paradigm shift means, “I can live without being involved in a financial contract with another entity”. This is the milestone before us.

brap5mo ago

It certainly survives by working, one way or another.

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