> So, the compiler, stdlib and runtime, core libraries, build system ... not enough? What else would you want?

First class IDE support (Xcode is not that). Better documentation. The build system only half works. Better packaging. I can keep going.

The swift ecosystem often feels like just enough was done to lock in iOS devs (but not enough to actually provide a good developer experience) and then they stopped because Apple has no incentive to do more than that.

> I feel the problem is not what's in open source, but that the open-source community cannot really form, since no outsider can significantly change what the Apple contributors decide. Some of the peripheral projects have relatively free rein, but they can't compete e.g., with server libraries elsewhere.

So you agree. This is exactly the point I was making.