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0 pointsOJFord5mo ago0 comments

Also people don't talk enough about (or are bad at separating themselves) the model vs. the client tool - e.g. from your comment maybe using codex/Claude Code/aider with Gemini API would be better, best even, but people rarely make that comparison or separation, it's always 'Claude Code with Claude vs. codex with GPT-x' etc.

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kaycey20225mo ago

Yeah. The client tool does make a difference. For example opencode, if I am correct, just spins up its own language servers and then feeds the language server errors back into the model, resulting in a much better agentic coding experience. I don't think they are doing anything much more complex than that.

Unfortunately, nearly all the foundation model companies are just wasting their efforts on the clients, which are kind of ass, instead of focusing on the model.

Google would be much better off if they ditch their dogshit cli, and allow us to have the generous quota login off any client.

CaptainOfCoit5mo ago

To be fair, most of the times, the tools works best with the models trained with those tools in mind, and vice-versa.

Not to mention not all models/inference works the same way so you can't really replicate the same experience. For example, new Harmony format means you can now inject messages while GPT-OSS is running inference, but obviously Claude Code don't support that because their models don't support that.

kaycey20225mo ago

>most of the times, the tools works best with the models trained with those tools in mind

This is a garbage state of affairs though

CaptainOfCoit5mo ago

What do you expect? People building software using other models than they themselves develop? Or people training the models train them for software that isn't the software they develop themselves?

It's like saying official car repair shops should repair any type of car, not just their brand. That's just not how the real world works.

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kaycey20225mo ago

Unfortunately, nearly all the foundation model companies are just wasting their efforts on the clients, which are kind of ass, instead of focusing on the model.

Google would be much better off if they ditch their dogshit cli, and allow us to have the generous quota login off any client.

CaptainOfCoit5mo ago

To be fair, most of the times, the tools works best with the models trained with those tools in mind, and vice-versa.

kaycey20225mo ago

>most of the times, the tools works best with the models trained with those tools in mind

This is a garbage state of affairs though

CaptainOfCoit5mo ago

What do you expect? People building software using other models than they themselves develop? Or people training the models train them for software that isn't the software they develop themselves?

It's like saying official car repair shops should repair any type of car, not just their brand. That's just not how the real world works.

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