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0 pointslazide5mo ago0 comments

This doesn’t actually work in the real world where people cannot be isolated from or protected from people who keep doing this to them.

You can’t ’out empathize’ someone doing 24/7 manipulation against people.

The only thing that works are real consequences against bad actors.

And that there was no real consequences for bad actors is exactly why we are in the situation we are in now.

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mmooss5mo ago

> This doesn’t actually work in the real world

It not only works, it is basic leadership skills that I and others use every day. You're unwittingly advocating your enemy's morals, saying only force works.

However, consequences are important too, depening on the situation.

lazideOP5mo ago

What you’re advocating is appeasement.

You can’t out reasonable an unreasonable person, when then unreasonable person refuses to respect your (or others) boundaries.

Most of the time, in a civil society, other members of society (police, etc.) enforce the consequences silently that allow what you are describing to work.

If they won’t/don’t, what you are describing is a guaranteed path to failure with specific personalities. The evidence is all around you.

There is a reason why self-defense includes the option for violence nearly everywhere, why every society has some equivalent to armed police, why nations always have militaries, etc.

Advocating a failed approach in a given circumstance isn’t good leadership (even when it’s ‘being the good one’), it’s the worst leadership approach possible.

mmooss5mo ago

> What you’re advocating is appeasement.

Nope; that's the old knee-jerk insult that people use when you don't embrace aggression. Appeasement or non-appeasement has nothing to do with it, but that's the word they say to use in the flow-chart.

Many people - maybe you - are driven to conflict as an ideology, as if there is no other effective or higher power. That justifies the bad people; that's what they want you to embrace; you're helping them without realizing it.

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0 pointslazide5mo ago0 comments

This doesn’t actually work in the real world where people cannot be isolated from or protected from people who keep doing this to them.

You can’t ’out empathize’ someone doing 24/7 manipulation against people.

The only thing that works are real consequences against bad actors.

And that there was no real consequences for bad actors is exactly why we are in the situation we are in now.

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mmooss5mo ago

> This doesn’t actually work in the real world

It not only works, it is basic leadership skills that I and others use every day. You're unwittingly advocating your enemy's morals, saying only force works.

However, consequences are important too, depening on the situation.

lazideOP5mo ago

What you’re advocating is appeasement.

You can’t out reasonable an unreasonable person, when then unreasonable person refuses to respect your (or others) boundaries.

Most of the time, in a civil society, other members of society (police, etc.) enforce the consequences silently that allow what you are describing to work.

If they won’t/don’t, what you are describing is a guaranteed path to failure with specific personalities. The evidence is all around you.

There is a reason why self-defense includes the option for violence nearly everywhere, why every society has some equivalent to armed police, why nations always have militaries, etc.

Advocating a failed approach in a given circumstance isn’t good leadership (even when it’s ‘being the good one’), it’s the worst leadership approach possible.

mmooss5mo ago

> What you’re advocating is appeasement.

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