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0 pointsxnorswap4mo ago0 comments

Questioning if I spend time away from a city is patronising nonsense.

Websites taking seconds to load in bad mobile reception is usually down to latency and handshaking, not raw bandwidth.

Show me a real world example of a single payload 500kB taking seconds longer than 13kB. It's not realistic.

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I question it, because I live somewhere rural with bad connection and travel frequently around europe, where I often experience bad connection outside of cities, so I do value lightweight pages like the article authors propose as a metric. Heavy weight pages I don't even bother trying to load in some areas.

"Show me a real world example of a single payload 500kB taking seconds longer than 13kB. It's not realistic."

And my only comment towards this is, please go out to see for yourself.

Also maybe take into account, the bloated website is not the only thing using the device connection. Messager messages syncing in the background, ..

whstl4mo ago

I can take you for a ride in the subway I use to commute to work, where internet is sluggish for a section of it.

I can also show you how slow it is when I visit the countryside and the connection is not good.

Or when I take a very crowded train to another city/country and have to share the wi-fi while traveling in a non-metropolitan area.

Or when I run out of pre-paid credits and I get bumped into low speed mode and the provider's page takes several minutes to load.

I don't even know why I answer to this. Because for sure this is all my fault and I'm the one "holding it wrong".

xnorswapOP4mo ago

I'm not denying bad internet exists.

I'm saying that the impact of dropped packets and poor latency falls much worse on sites that have multiple connections and dozens of files to download than a single bundle.

Also in those circumstances, the 13kB would also take "seconds".

The situation described, where the 13kB file takes milliseconds but the 500kB file takes seconds, is what is unrealistic. It's an invention of an LLM.

Chances are two different 13kB files would be far worse in those circumstances than a single 500kB file.

I don't know why I'm still answering this thread, because it's clear I'm not being understood, and this is all arguing over a flagged AI slop article that no-one wrote.

hamburglar4mo ago

Dismissing the bandwidth issue just makes you seem out of touch and stubborn. There’s a reason HN is one of my favorite sites when I’m on LTE. Payload size matters.

whstl4mo ago

> Also in those circumstances, the 13kB would also take "seconds".

Yeah but a couple seconds I can wait. A few minutes not realistically unless it’s something really important.

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lukan4mo ago

"Show me a real world example of a single payload 500kB taking seconds longer than 13kB. It's not realistic."

And my only comment towards this is, please go out to see for yourself.

Also maybe take into account, the bloated website is not the only thing using the device connection. Messager messages syncing in the background, ..

whstl4mo ago

I can take you for a ride in the subway I use to commute to work, where internet is sluggish for a section of it.

I can also show you how slow it is when I visit the countryside and the connection is not good.

Or when I take a very crowded train to another city/country and have to share the wi-fi while traveling in a non-metropolitan area.

Or when I run out of pre-paid credits and I get bumped into low speed mode and the provider's page takes several minutes to load.

I don't even know why I answer to this. Because for sure this is all my fault and I'm the one "holding it wrong".

xnorswapOP4mo ago

I'm not denying bad internet exists.

I'm saying that the impact of dropped packets and poor latency falls much worse on sites that have multiple connections and dozens of files to download than a single bundle.

Also in those circumstances, the 13kB would also take "seconds".

The situation described, where the 13kB file takes milliseconds but the 500kB file takes seconds, is what is unrealistic. It's an invention of an LLM.

Chances are two different 13kB files would be far worse in those circumstances than a single 500kB file.

I don't know why I'm still answering this thread, because it's clear I'm not being understood, and this is all arguing over a flagged AI slop article that no-one wrote.

hamburglar4mo ago

Dismissing the bandwidth issue just makes you seem out of touch and stubborn. There’s a reason HN is one of my favorite sites when I’m on LTE. Payload size matters.

whstl4mo ago

> Also in those circumstances, the 13kB would also take "seconds".

Yeah but a couple seconds I can wait. A few minutes not realistically unless it’s something really important.

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