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0 pointsdlubarov4mo ago0 comments

The investigating authorities aren't being defrauded though; making someone's job harder isn't fraud. Google or Amazon could be committing other crimes,[1] but not fraud.

[1] If they actually violated a gag order, which realistically they won't. In all likelihood there's language to ensure they're not forced to commit crimes. Even if that wasn't explicit, the illegality doctrine covers them anyway, and they can just ignore any provisions which would require them to commit crimes.

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coldtea4mo ago

>The investigating authorities aren't being defrauded though; making someone's job harder isn't fraud.

It can very well be, and it's called obstruction of justice.

Though in this case, the real crime is treason. Those companies collaborate with a foreign government against their own.

dlubarovOP4mo ago

> obstruction of justice

Possibly, depending on intent. But even if so, obstruction of justice is not fraud.

> the real crime is treason

This hypothetical crime (which I'd say is highly unlikely to occur) would definitely not be treason, which has a narrow legal definition. We're not at war with Israel.

coldtea4mo ago

>Possibly, depending on intent. But even if so, obstruction of justice is not fraud.

Sure, but it's a crime still. Not just something neutral.

>This hypothetical crime (which I'd say is highly unlikely to occur) would definitely not be treason, which has a narrow legal definition. We're not at war with Israel.

No, just on several on behalf of them.

Which one feels should also have been part of this "narrow legal definition".

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0 pointsdlubarov4mo ago0 comments

The investigating authorities aren't being defrauded though; making someone's job harder isn't fraud. Google or Amazon could be committing other crimes,[1] but not fraud.

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coldtea4mo ago

>The investigating authorities aren't being defrauded though; making someone's job harder isn't fraud.

It can very well be, and it's called obstruction of justice.

Though in this case, the real crime is treason. Those companies collaborate with a foreign government against their own.

dlubarovOP4mo ago

> obstruction of justice

Possibly, depending on intent. But even if so, obstruction of justice is not fraud.

> the real crime is treason

This hypothetical crime (which I'd say is highly unlikely to occur) would definitely not be treason, which has a narrow legal definition. We're not at war with Israel.

coldtea4mo ago

>Possibly, depending on intent. But even if so, obstruction of justice is not fraud.

Sure, but it's a crime still. Not just something neutral.

>This hypothetical crime (which I'd say is highly unlikely to occur) would definitely not be treason, which has a narrow legal definition. We're not at war with Israel.

No, just on several on behalf of them.

Which one feels should also have been part of this "narrow legal definition".

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