If you could separate the language from the acolytes it would have seen much faster adoption.
That’s an interesting thought. It would run counter to everything we know about human nature, but interesting nevertheless.
Rust is already pretty successful adoption wise. It’s powering significant parts of the internet, it’s been introduced in 3 major operating systems (Windows, Linux, Android), many successful companies in a variety of domains have written their entire tech stack in it. Adoption as measured by crates.io downloads has doubled every year for the last 10 years.
Now I’m imagining how much more widely Rust would be used if they had adopted your visionary approach of never saying anything positive about it.
No, it's the people who have given rise to the multiple Rust memes over the years.
I'm battling to think of any other about-to-go-mainstream language that had the reputation of a hostile community. Scala? Kotlin? Swift? Zig? None of those languages have built such poor reputations for their communities.
After all, for quite a few years every thread on forums that mentioned C or C++ was derailed by Rust proponents. I didn't see C++ users jumping into Rust threads posting attacks, but there are many examples of Rust users jumping into C++ or C threads, posting attacks.
> That’s an interesting thought. It would run counter to everything we know about human nature, but interesting nevertheless.
Well, the fact that Rust is an outlier in this sample should tell you everything you need to know; other up-and-coming languages have not, in the past, gotten such a reputation.
Because you’re young or you weren't around in 2010 when Go was gaining adoption. Same shit back then. People said “I like the language, it’s quite useful” followed by tirades from people who thought it was the end of human civilisation. It had exactly the reputation you speak of. (“DAE generics???”)
Eventually the haters moved on to hating something else. That’s what the Rust haters will do as well. When Zig reaches 1.0 and gains more adoption, the haters will be out in full force.
There absolutely are, and have been. You could say it's a reaction. I don't want to argue about who started it.
I agree with you that if the Rust community has gained such a peculiar reputation, it's also due to valid reasons.
> I didn't see C++ users jumping into Rust threads posting attacks, but there are many examples of Rust users jumping into C++ or C threads, posting attacks.
I already seen this with Zig. And even without language communities. Look at this whole thread. Look in to the mirror. Regularly when Rust is mentioned on HN. Anti-Rust cult comes to complain that there is Rust.
Even if someone just posts "I have made this with Rust" - then this cult comes and complains "why do you need to mention Rust?!". Like look at your self. Who hurt you?
Rust haters seem strangely obsessed.
Well, this is a great example. People complaining about the community are labeled as people complaining about the language.
Do you not see the problem here?
Good news: you can. And that's why it has had fast adoption.
(those advocating for Rust in "meme-like" ways are not generally the same people actually developing the Rust compiler or the core parts of it's ecosystem)
