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0 pointstsimionescu4mo ago0 comments

Is it? It's quite uncontroversial I think that consciousness has no special impact in physics, there's no physical experiment that is affected by a consciousness being present or not. Electrons don't behave differently if a human is looking at them versus a machine, as far as any current physical experiment has ever found.

If we agree on this, then it follows logically that we don't need new physics to explain consciousnesses. I'm not claiming it's impossible that consciousness is created by physics we don't yet know - just claiming that it's also not impossible that it's not. Similarly, we don't fully understand the pancreas, and it could be that the pancreas works in a way that isn't fully explainable by current physics - but there's currently no reason to believe that, so we shouldn't assume that.

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prmph4mo ago

> It's quite uncontroversial I think that consciousness has no special impact in physics, there's no physical experiment that is affected by a consciousness being present or not. Electrons don't behave differently if a human is looking at them versus a machine, as far as any current physical experiment has ever found.

Way to totally miss the point. We can't detect or measure consciousness, so therefore there is nothing to explain. /s Like an LLM that deletes or emasculates tests it is unable to make pass.

I know I am conscious, I also know that the stone in my hand is not. I want to understand why. It is probably the most unexplainable thing. It does not mean we ignore it. If you want to dispute that my consciousness has no physical import nor consequence, well, then we will have to agree to disagree.

tsimionescuOP4mo ago

My point is this: find a physical experiment that can't be entirely explained by the physical signs of consciousness (e.g. electrochemical signals in the brain). As long as none can be found, there is no reason to believe that new physics is required to explain consciousness - my own or yours.

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prmph4mo ago

Way to totally miss the point. We can't detect or measure consciousness, so therefore there is nothing to explain. /s Like an LLM that deletes or emasculates tests it is unable to make pass.

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