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0 pointsinemesitaffia4mo ago0 comments

I don't think the courts will agree.

The presence of a person without a valid visa is illegal and the person working without a working visa is another illegality. Not reporting your presence to the authorities is another level.

Otherwise doesn't erase that.

>avoid justice for their crimes

Some other fact free nonsense.

Yes the drama and force is extra, but it's not illegal, or unprecedented as I'll have you know from seeing video of immigration raids in the past, from the UK, Canada, Sweden and Australia, or pre 49 immigration raids.

There's two classes of people who support this blatant criminality. The business class who relies on legal and illegal immigration + outsourcing to force down local and market wages. And the solidarity crew who are completely pro open borders without restrictions and couch it in other excuses.

Borders are violence, they argue. While complaining about settlers and occupiers of indigenous land. It's a circle you can't square.

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UncleMeat4mo ago

The state is not allowed to use unlimited force against people suspected of having broken the law. Half of the bill of rights is about the rights of criminal and civil defendants (more if we include the 9th).

The law requires that law enforcement has a specific kind of warrant in order to enter a location without permission and detain somebody. This law is regularly being broken by agents. "Oh, they are illegal so whatever" is horrifying.

inemesitaffiaOP4mo ago

I can tell it's you that down voted me.

Agents can enter buildings without warrants under limited circumstances. It's not a hard bar.

Ordinarily when any crime is in plain view or in chase of a fleeing suspect, or (dubiously) when the individual is believed to be part of a proscribed organisation.

Administrative warrants are okay when there's a specific record of an individual being there. Like if the website for the organisation posts the person as being an employee amongst other reasons.

Regardless, none of these bar the deportation of people caught up.

Horrifying is just your opinion. What's fact is all these are just objections to deportation of people not supposed to be in the country.

They can file their civil rights claims

UncleMeat4mo ago

The comment is sufficiently old and deep that I cannot downvote your post.

1983 claims have been winnowed away into basically nothing by the courts. They aren't a meaningful path to justice.

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0 pointsinemesitaffia4mo ago0 comments

I don't think the courts will agree.

The presence of a person without a valid visa is illegal and the person working without a working visa is another illegality. Not reporting your presence to the authorities is another level.

Otherwise doesn't erase that.

>avoid justice for their crimes

Some other fact free nonsense.

Borders are violence, they argue. While complaining about settlers and occupiers of indigenous land. It's a circle you can't square.

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UncleMeat4mo ago

inemesitaffiaOP4mo ago

I can tell it's you that down voted me.

Agents can enter buildings without warrants under limited circumstances. It's not a hard bar.

Ordinarily when any crime is in plain view or in chase of a fleeing suspect, or (dubiously) when the individual is believed to be part of a proscribed organisation.

Administrative warrants are okay when there's a specific record of an individual being there. Like if the website for the organisation posts the person as being an employee amongst other reasons.

Regardless, none of these bar the deportation of people caught up.

Horrifying is just your opinion. What's fact is all these are just objections to deportation of people not supposed to be in the country.

They can file their civil rights claims

UncleMeat4mo ago

The comment is sufficiently old and deep that I cannot downvote your post.

1983 claims have been winnowed away into basically nothing by the courts. They aren't a meaningful path to justice.

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