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0 pointsrwmj4mo ago0 comments

Wait, what measures you implemented? How about AWS implements a hard cap, like everyone has been asking for forever?

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What does a hard cap look like for EBS volumes? Or S3? RDS?

Do you just delete when the limit is hit?

__s4mo ago

It's a system people opt into, you can do something like ingress/egress blocked, & user has to pay a service charge (like overdraft) before access opened up again. If account is locked in overdraft state for over X amount of days then yes, delete data

maccard4mo ago

I can see the "AWS is holding me ransom" posts on the front page of HN already.

wat100004mo ago

A cap is much less important for fixed costs. Block transfers, block the ability to add any new data, but keep all existing data.

timando4mo ago

2 caps: 1 for things that are charged for existing (e.g. S3 storage, RDS, EBS, EC2 instances) and 1 for things that are charged when you use them (e.g. bandwidth, lambda, S3 requests). Fail to create new things (e.g. S3 uploads) when the first cap is met.

maccard4mo ago

Does that mean fail to create rds backups? And that AWS needs to keep your EC2 instance and RDS instance running while you decide if you really want to pay the bill?

chillfox4mo ago

How about something like what runpod does? Shutdown ephemeral resources to ensure there's enough money left to keep data around for some time.

RestartKernel4mo ago

RunPod has its issues, but the way it handles payment is basically my ideal. Nothing brings peace of mind like knowing you won't be billed for more than you've already paid into your wallet. As long as you aren't obliged to fulfil some SLA, I've found that this on-demand scaling compute is really all I need in conjunction with a traditional VPS.

It's great for ML research too, as you can just SSH into a pod with VScode and drag in your notebooks and whatnot as if it were your own computer, but with a 5090 available to speed up training.

umanwizard4mo ago

Yes, delete things in reverse order of their creation time until the cap is satisfied (the cap should be a rate, not a total)

maccard4mo ago

I would put $100 that within 6 months of that, we'll get a post on here saying that their startup is gone under because AWS deleted their account because they didn't pay their bill and didn't realise their data would be deleted.

> (the cap should be a rate, not a total)

this is _way_ more complicated than there being a single cap.

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Dunedan4mo ago

The measures were related to the specific cause of the unintended charges, not to never incur any unintended charges again. I agree AWS needs to provide better tooling to enable its customers to avoid such situations.

monerozcash4mo ago

>How about AWS implements a hard cap, like everyone has been asking for forever?

s/everyone has/a bunch of very small customers have/

rwmjOP4mo ago

I am never going to use any cloud service which doesn't have a cap on charges. I simply cannot risk waking up and finding a $10000 or whatever charge on my personal credit card.

monerozcash4mo ago

And for amazon that's probably fine, people paying with personal credit cards are not bringing in much money.

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maccard4mo ago

What does a hard cap look like for EBS volumes? Or S3? RDS?

Do you just delete when the limit is hit?

__s4mo ago

maccard4mo ago

I can see the "AWS is holding me ransom" posts on the front page of HN already.

wat100004mo ago

A cap is much less important for fixed costs. Block transfers, block the ability to add any new data, but keep all existing data.

timando4mo ago

maccard4mo ago

Does that mean fail to create rds backups? And that AWS needs to keep your EC2 instance and RDS instance running while you decide if you really want to pay the bill?

chillfox4mo ago

How about something like what runpod does? Shutdown ephemeral resources to ensure there's enough money left to keep data around for some time.

RestartKernel4mo ago

It's great for ML research too, as you can just SSH into a pod with VScode and drag in your notebooks and whatnot as if it were your own computer, but with a 5090 available to speed up training.

umanwizard4mo ago

Yes, delete things in reverse order of their creation time until the cap is satisfied (the cap should be a rate, not a total)

maccard4mo ago

> (the cap should be a rate, not a total)

this is _way_ more complicated than there being a single cap.

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Dunedan4mo ago

monerozcash4mo ago

>How about AWS implements a hard cap, like everyone has been asking for forever?

s/everyone has/a bunch of very small customers have/

rwmjOP4mo ago

I am never going to use any cloud service which doesn't have a cap on charges. I simply cannot risk waking up and finding a $10000 or whatever charge on my personal credit card.

monerozcash4mo ago

And for amazon that's probably fine, people paying with personal credit cards are not bringing in much money.

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