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0 pointsestearum3mo ago0 comments

> No, evangelicals need all the Jews to go back to Israel for their end of the world prophecy to come true

Not according to literally any evangelical I've ever spoken to, nor any mainstream evangelical in US theo-politics. Nor is that actually stated in scripture. The complete assemblage of Jews in Israel can happen during or after Tribulation via Jesus teleportation magic.

Sovereignty to rebuild the temple is all that's required for Jesus to gain his Jew-teleportation powers.

Based on your vernacular I'm going to guess you aren't from the US and have no clue what the US religious landscape is actually like.

> you're claiming that Israel is getting some specially favourable treatment by sheer chance

I made no such claim.

My claim is that they're getting "favorable" treatment as a purely instrumental means to an end. In this case (the visas) the end is to exclude Muslims and libs. In other cases it's to bring back kamikaze Jesus. None of it has to do with actually liking Jews.

> Finally, why you feel the need to specify that Jews and zionists are not the same.

Because otherwise a person literally can't parse the factual statement that American evangelicals love Israel but don't care for Jews?

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throw3108223mo ago

> Sovereignty to rebuild the temple is all that's required for Jesus to gain his Jew-teleportation powers.

They already have sovereignty, so why don't evangelicals lobby to withhold all aid to Israel unless they get to work and rebuild the temple?

> I made no such claim. My claim is that they're getting "favorable" treatment as a purely instrumental means to an end.

That's exactly the claim I was talking about. You strive to justify every favorable treatment Israel gets as the fortuitous side-effect of something that has nothing to do with those who actually materially benefit from it- that is, those who live in Israel or consider the promised land of their own people. Isn't that a bit suspicious to you?

> Because otherwise a person literally can't parse the factual statement that American evangelicals love Israel but don't care for Jews?

I understand this, but can't help thinking that this alliance with religious fanatics is too lucky to be random. I mean "they want absolutely nothing from me except giving me money and protecting me politically and militarily? That is great, how do I get more of these? Who can I finance and boost to spread this religion even more?"

estearumOP3mo ago

> They already have sovereignty, so why don't evangelicals lobby to withhold all aid to Israel unless they get to work and rebuild the temple?

Sure: Because rebuilding the temple would trigger a regional war and evangelicals want Israel to win that war, ergo cannot withhold aid.

More generally, because despite people actually believing these things, they find it much harder to put into real logical action. Same reason people who believe the end times are fast-approaching for some reason aren't selling all their belongings and knocking off their bucket list.

> Isn't that a bit suspicious to you?

No not really. My theory explains both the rampant anti-semitism throughout the GOP and the extreme pro-Israel sentiment within the GOP. Your theory fails to explain half of it.

Not sure how to parse your last paragraph. Who said it's random? It's not random at all: there's a clear lineage between evangelical and Jewish belief systems. It's super not-random! Their prophesies are intertwined because they're derived from the same sources.

throw3108223mo ago

> Because rebuilding the temple would trigger a regional war

Ah because there isn't already one, and Israel is not the only one armed with nuclear weapons and its unwavering ally is not the dominant world superpower?

> despite people actually believing these things, they find it much harder to put into real logical action

Yet they don't find it hard at all as long as it aligns with Israeli interests.

> My theory explains both the rampant anti-semitism throughout the GOP

This part I miss. Where is the rampant antisemitism in the GOP? Last time I checked, the prime minister of Israel is always welcomed in the US (especially by the GOP) as a demigod. All advisors and mediators for Israel Palestine and the middle east are Jewish. Antisemitism is Trump's justification for all repression. What are you talking about?

> It's not random at all: there's a clear lineage between evangelical and Jewish belief systems.

LOL. It's random in the sense that you keep insisting that there is no causal connection between Israel's interest and the support it receives. Somehow for some lucky coincidence they get a lot of money and privileges but hey, they've nothing to do with it!

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0 pointsestearum3mo ago0 comments

> No, evangelicals need all the Jews to go back to Israel for their end of the world prophecy to come true

Sovereignty to rebuild the temple is all that's required for Jesus to gain his Jew-teleportation powers.

Based on your vernacular I'm going to guess you aren't from the US and have no clue what the US religious landscape is actually like.

> you're claiming that Israel is getting some specially favourable treatment by sheer chance

I made no such claim.

> Finally, why you feel the need to specify that Jews and zionists are not the same.

Because otherwise a person literally can't parse the factual statement that American evangelicals love Israel but don't care for Jews?

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throw3108223mo ago

> Sovereignty to rebuild the temple is all that's required for Jesus to gain his Jew-teleportation powers.

They already have sovereignty, so why don't evangelicals lobby to withhold all aid to Israel unless they get to work and rebuild the temple?

> I made no such claim. My claim is that they're getting "favorable" treatment as a purely instrumental means to an end.

> Because otherwise a person literally can't parse the factual statement that American evangelicals love Israel but don't care for Jews?

estearumOP3mo ago

> They already have sovereignty, so why don't evangelicals lobby to withhold all aid to Israel unless they get to work and rebuild the temple?

Sure: Because rebuilding the temple would trigger a regional war and evangelicals want Israel to win that war, ergo cannot withhold aid.

> Isn't that a bit suspicious to you?

No not really. My theory explains both the rampant anti-semitism throughout the GOP and the extreme pro-Israel sentiment within the GOP. Your theory fails to explain half of it.

throw3108223mo ago

> Because rebuilding the temple would trigger a regional war

Ah because there isn't already one, and Israel is not the only one armed with nuclear weapons and its unwavering ally is not the dominant world superpower?

> despite people actually believing these things, they find it much harder to put into real logical action

Yet they don't find it hard at all as long as it aligns with Israeli interests.

> My theory explains both the rampant anti-semitism throughout the GOP

> It's not random at all: there's a clear lineage between evangelical and Jewish belief systems.

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