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0 pointssomenameforme3mo ago0 comments

I'll get back to what you said, but first let me ask you something if you would. Imagine Gender Queer was made into a movie that remained 100% faithful to the source content. What do you think it would be rated? To me it seems obvious that it would, at the absolute bare minimum, be R rated. And of course screening R-rated films at a school is prohibited without explicit parental permission. Imagine books were given a rating and indeed it ended up with an R rating. Would your perspective on it being unavailable at a school library then be any different? I think this is relevant since a standardized content rating system for books will be the long-term outcome of this all if efforts to introduce such material to children continues to persist.

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Okay, back to what you said. 30% being attracted to the same sex in any way, including bisexuality, is a large shift. People tend to have a mistaken perception of these things due to media misrepresentation. The percent of all people attracted to the same sex, in any way, is around 7% for men, and 15% for women [1], across a study of numerous Western cultures from 2016. And those numbers themselves are significantly higher than the past as well where the numbers tended to be in the ~4% range, though it's probably fair to say that cultural pressures were driving those older numbers to artificially low levels in the same way that I'm arguing that cultural pressures are now driving them to artificially high levels.

Your second source discusses the reason for the bans. It's overwhelmingly due to sexually explicit content, often in the form of a picture book, targeted at children. As for "sexual deviance", I'm certainly not going General Ripper on you, Mandrake. It is the most precise term [2] for what we are discussing as I'm suggesting that the main goal driving this change is simply to be significantly 'not normal.' That is essentially deviance by definition.

[1] - https://www.researchgate.net/publication/301639075_Sexual_Or...

[2] - https://dictionary.apa.org/sexual-deviance

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Forgeties793mo ago

> any sexual behavior, such as a paraphilia, that is regarded as significantly different from the standards established by a culture or subculture. Deviant forms of sexual behavior may include voyeurism, fetishism, bestiality, necrophilia, sadism, and exhibitionism

I don’t see Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, or Transgender in here, which would absolutely be explicitly included in the list if it applied. Stop saying “sexual deviants” when talking about LGBT people. You know what you’re doing, it’s an incredibly loaded and inaccurate term. To continue calling them “sexual deviants” is a hostile and openly bigoted act. Bestiality and homosexuality are not in the same category and you are wrong to assert otherwise - all while masking it by misrepresenting the APA’s stance at that.

I am not discussing this further. Enjoy the rest of your weekend.

somenameformeOP3mo ago

I'm not at all bigoted. If somebody genuinely is sexually attracted to the same sex, more power to them. Homosexuality also exists within nature and there are obviously people who simply have never been attracted to anything except the same sex since their first days. It's completely unreasonable to expect these people to try to change who they are on such a fundamental level, and so I think society, at large, should absolutely be tolerant of such.

But there is a major difference between tolerating something and endorsing it. I think this is especially true in modern times. 30% of people are obviously not LGB. So you have people acting out sexually in a way that's probably not only 'unnatural' for them, but may end up harming them longterm. It's not a great situation. Because of this I do not indulge language policing which I believe is much more towards endorse than tolerate. Yes you are obviously right I'm aware of what I'm doing, but I also assure you if we met and had a coffee you'd find me anything but bigoted or hostile. We just have different worldviews.

aidenn03mo ago

In the 1940s, Kinsey et. al. found that 37% of Adult Males had at least one homosexual experience, and 10% were "more or less exclusively homosexual for at least 3 years."

The numbers for women were much lower, but 30% doesn't seem crazy high if you consider the reduced stigma of the bisexual label would allow people who are primarily heterosexual, but are open to homosexual experiences to label themselves as bi.

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