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0 pointsGigachad3mo ago0 comments

I think we really are in the last moments of the public internet. In the future you won’t be able to contact anyone you don’t know. If you want to thank Rob Pike for his work you’ll have to meet him in person.

Unless we can find some way to verify humanity for every message.

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derangedHorse3mo ago

We need to bring back the web of trust: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_of_trust

A mix of social interaction and cryptographic guarantees will be our saving grace (although I'm less bothered from AI generated content than most).

jcgl2mo ago

Maybe for nerds! But normies won't, can't, and shouldn't manage their own keys.

squigz3mo ago

> Unless we can find some way to verify humanity for every message.

There is no possible way to do this that won't quickly be abused by people/groups who don't care. All efforts like this will do is destroy privacy and freedom on the Internet for normal people.

lll-o-lll3mo ago

The internet is facing an existential threat to its very existence. If it becomes nearly impossible to determine signal in the noise, then there is no internet. Not for normal people, not for anyone.

So we need some mechanism to verify the content is from a human. If no privacy preserving technical solution can be found, then expect the non-privacy preserving to be the only model.

squigz3mo ago

> If no privacy preserving technical solution can be found, then expect the non-privacy preserving to be the only model.

There is no technical solution, privacy preserving or otherwise, that can stave off this purported threat.

Out of curiosity, what is the timeline here? LLMs have been a thing for a while now, and I've been reading about how they're going to bring about the death of the Internet since day 1.

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derangedHorse3mo ago

We need to bring back the web of trust: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_of_trust

A mix of social interaction and cryptographic guarantees will be our saving grace (although I'm less bothered from AI generated content than most).

jcgl2mo ago

Maybe for nerds! But normies won't, can't, and shouldn't manage their own keys.

squigz3mo ago

> Unless we can find some way to verify humanity for every message.

There is no possible way to do this that won't quickly be abused by people/groups who don't care. All efforts like this will do is destroy privacy and freedom on the Internet for normal people.

lll-o-lll3mo ago

The internet is facing an existential threat to its very existence. If it becomes nearly impossible to determine signal in the noise, then there is no internet. Not for normal people, not for anyone.

So we need some mechanism to verify the content is from a human. If no privacy preserving technical solution can be found, then expect the non-privacy preserving to be the only model.

squigz3mo ago

> If no privacy preserving technical solution can be found, then expect the non-privacy preserving to be the only model.

There is no technical solution, privacy preserving or otherwise, that can stave off this purported threat.

Out of curiosity, what is the timeline here? LLMs have been a thing for a while now, and I've been reading about how they're going to bring about the death of the Internet since day 1.

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