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0 pointsleptons2mo ago0 comments

I don't really care what Firefox does. They get paid massively by Google, so who knows what their motivations are for what they do. Opera implements the same APIs in their browser, but that also doesn't work on iOS because Apple are dicks and force Safari on Opera too.

>Not on the formal standards track.

What a coincidence, Apple gets to vote on what the "formal standards track" is, and they have voted against anything that would hurt their app business.

>But go on assuming it's all about being anticompetitive...

Okay... Apple are anticompetitive and always have been. They forbid their OS from being installed on any hardware that isn't manufactured by Apple, even though it was easily possible to do. Their walled garden is very famous for being anticompetitive - banning any browser from using their own browser engine and forcing Safari is absolutely anti-competitive.

You know what? Just go fucking read the DOJ antitrust suit against Apple, it details the very many ways Apple is anti-competitive:

https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/media/1344546/dl?inline

But I bet you won't.

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crazygringo2mo ago

You seem to have lost the plot here. I started out by saying Apple is anticompetitive in plenty of areas.

But that's not what the conversation is about. I pointed out that in this area, it doesn't appear to be.

So I don't know why you keep pushing this PDF. It doesn't say anything about this specific area. I already checked.

And if you don't care about what Firefox does, then I think it's clear you're not having this conversation in good faith. You're not open to evidence or counter-argument, you just have a knee-jerk reaction that Apple is bad. OK, you do you. But I'm not going to waste any more time with someone who "doesn't care" about the most obvious counterpoint to their argument.

otterley2mo ago

Unfortunately, many people here don’t enter the arena with open minds. Their opinions have congealed; there are good guys and bad guys; and they just want to rant and complain. They don’t want any solutions other than their preferred one.

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