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0 pointsgirvo5mo ago0 comments

Maduro is a piece of shit.

But a military invasion of another country to commit regime change is literally what Russia tried to do to Ukraine.

America has blood on it's hands yet again.

EDIT: If the reports are true that Maduro has been captured and the fighting stops, then that's the best resolution one could hope out of this horrible situation. I pray for the Venezuelan people.

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nospice5mo ago· 3 in thread

Right, and that's what the Allies did in Germany in 1945. I don't think it's helpful to paint everything with such a broad brush.

Russia is trying to annex Ukraine. They took part of it in 2014, then came back for more, and then organized sham annexation referendums in the regions they did control. Whatever the US is trying to achieve in Venezuela, it's probably not that. All war is deplorable, but some lead to good outcomes and some to bad ones.

girvoOP5mo ago

> Russia is trying to annex Ukraine

And to start with they were trying to achieve this through regime change via a "surgical" (by their standards) strike on the government and capital.

That failed.

America is doing this explicitly to take control of Venezuela's resources. It's no different.

swiftcoder5mo ago

> Whatever the US is trying to achieve in Venezuela, it's probably not that

Presumably we're only trying to annex their oil reserves

girvoOP5mo ago

Going to change your tune now that Trump has said that the US will run Venezuela? They’re not even pretending. This is far far more similar than it is different.

NetMageSCW5mo ago

No, what Russia has tried to do to Ukraine is annex it as part of Russia. Not nearly the same, even if both are reprehensible.

throwaway858255mo ago· 3 in thread

The critical reaction is from the people on the Venezuelan street tomorrow.

ric2b5mo ago

I'm old enough to remember people in Iraq cheering for the fall of Saddam. Didn't make it great.

girvoOP5mo ago

I’m naively hopeful that they will band together without more bloodshed. I worry though

throwaway858255mo ago

Either the Venezuelan people demand new elections or a Maduro faction member succeeds him with the support of the military.

raverbashing5mo ago· 1 in thread

Some regimes deserved to be changed (and of course there are second order consequences)

I know some sheltered academics on Epstein's list disagree with that but that's a hill I will die on

calf5mo ago

Chomsky's argument was never that "no regime deserves to be changed", so maybe academic skills come in useful when comprehending arguments, books, and hills.

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11 comments · 4 top-level

nospice5mo ago· 3 in thread

Right, and that's what the Allies did in Germany in 1945. I don't think it's helpful to paint everything with such a broad brush.

girvoOP5mo ago

> Russia is trying to annex Ukraine

And to start with they were trying to achieve this through regime change via a "surgical" (by their standards) strike on the government and capital.

That failed.

America is doing this explicitly to take control of Venezuela's resources. It's no different.

swiftcoder5mo ago

> Whatever the US is trying to achieve in Venezuela, it's probably not that

Presumably we're only trying to annex their oil reserves

girvoOP5mo ago

Going to change your tune now that Trump has said that the US will run Venezuela? They’re not even pretending. This is far far more similar than it is different.

NetMageSCW5mo ago

No, what Russia has tried to do to Ukraine is annex it as part of Russia. Not nearly the same, even if both are reprehensible.

throwaway858255mo ago· 3 in thread

The critical reaction is from the people on the Venezuelan street tomorrow.

ric2b5mo ago

I'm old enough to remember people in Iraq cheering for the fall of Saddam. Didn't make it great.

girvoOP5mo ago

I’m naively hopeful that they will band together without more bloodshed. I worry though

throwaway858255mo ago

Either the Venezuelan people demand new elections or a Maduro faction member succeeds him with the support of the military.

raverbashing5mo ago· 1 in thread

Some regimes deserved to be changed (and of course there are second order consequences)

I know some sheltered academics on Epstein's list disagree with that but that's a hill I will die on

calf5mo ago

Chomsky's argument was never that "no regime deserves to be changed", so maybe academic skills come in useful when comprehending arguments, books, and hills.

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