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0 pointsjmward012mo ago0 comments

This is illegal, immoral and not supported by the vast majority of the country. Every us citizen and every elected official needs to act, now, to stop this.

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flyinglizard2mo ago

I'd avoid speaking in absolute terms, especially when you're wrong.

jmward01OP2mo ago

At this very moment I am likely a lot of things, but at the top of the list is mad. Very, very mad. I don't have words for this anymore or the patience to debate the intricacies of the broken system that has gotten us here. I am just viscerally, exceptionally, mad. Something will change.

flyinglizard2mo ago

A hostile dictator that caused lots of suffering to his people was removed from power. I don't think mad is the right sentiment but to each his own.

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conradfr2mo ago

Not supported by the people of the USA or the people of Venezuela?

stouset2mo ago

The majority of the country voted for this. Don’t let them off the hook so easily.

Brybry2mo ago

Technically ~49.8% of voters, ~31.6% of eligible voters, or ~22.7% of the US population. Or at least those were the numbers when I looked it up 10 months ago.

throwawaysleep2mo ago

> not supported by the vast majority of the country

Votes suggest otherwise.

asmor2mo ago

We both know this is an imperfect statement without getting into a lecture about representative democracy or voting modalities.

throwawaysleep2mo ago

Americans have been all for this the last couple of rounds as well.

squidbeak2mo ago

This is muddying with jargon. You're insisting on nuance where there is none: Trump won emphatically, and the campaign couldn't have been clearer about what MAGA intended to do in power.

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KingOfCoders2mo ago

Trump won the electoral vote [edit: and the popular vote]

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swiftcoder2mo ago

The polls[0] on the war do not necessarily fall along party lines

[0]: https://usapolling.substack.com/p/america-marches-into-anoth...

throwawaysleep2mo ago

> 60% of Americans oppose sending US troops into Venezuela to remove Maduro from power. Support is heavily concentrated among Republicans, with 58% in favor, compared to just 21% of independents and 14% of Democrats.

But they do.

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wesleywt2mo ago

He promised his voters no new wars. So your statement is completely wrong.

lb1lf2mo ago

Perhaps it is just a Special Military Operation?

KingOfCoders2mo ago

He asked why he can't use nukes in 2016. Trump is pro raw power, pro war, always was, always will be. "We didn't vote for this" - all Germans 1945. SPOILER ALERT: They did, it was all in "Mein Kampf".

I hate it when everyone says "Nazi Germany" instead of just "Germany".

KingOfCoders2mo ago

The majority of the country voted for this.

Trump won the electoral vote.

Trump asked why the US can't nuke other countries when it has so many nukes. Trump loves war ("department of war") loves bombing other countries - always has. That he is so eager to use nukes should frighten everyone.

420official2mo ago

I agree with the rest of your point but I dont think its factual to say the majority of the country voted for trump. 77m/343m or ~20% of the country voted for trump, though I'm sure this is what you meant to say.

KingOfCoders2mo ago

1. The majority of voters voted for Trump 2. People who don't vote are like fine with whoever wins like "What pizza? I'm fine with every pizza you bring"

Yes, 5 year olds didn't vote for Trump.

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tossandthrow2mo ago

Especially in the US, this is a strawman. There is simply not enough granularity of choice that you can make voters accountable for every action Trump does.

stouset2mo ago

Trump was wildly transparent about what kind of person he is. In this case, you can and should.

KingOfCoders2mo ago

Guy: "Why do we have nukes if we don't use them?"

Same Guy: "If Europe doesn't buy more weapons from us, Russia should invade Europe, torture, plunder and kill people and do their worst."

People: "I guess I vote for that guy!"

Guy randomly bombs Iran, Yemen, Nigeria, Venezuela, Iraq, Somalia and Syria - people "Huh? I didn't vote for this".

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lawn2mo ago

> The majority of the country

He did not win the popular vote.

rawling2mo ago

He won the popular vote, but not a majority of it.

KingOfCoders2mo ago

Trump won the popular vote. Those who didn't vote, were "Nah can't be bothered, I'm fine with whoever wins"

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flyinglizard2mo ago

I'd avoid speaking in absolute terms, especially when you're wrong.

jmward01OP2mo ago

flyinglizard2mo ago

A hostile dictator that caused lots of suffering to his people was removed from power. I don't think mad is the right sentiment but to each his own.

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conradfr2mo ago

Not supported by the people of the USA or the people of Venezuela?

stouset2mo ago

The majority of the country voted for this. Don’t let them off the hook so easily.

Brybry2mo ago

Technically ~49.8% of voters, ~31.6% of eligible voters, or ~22.7% of the US population. Or at least those were the numbers when I looked it up 10 months ago.

throwawaysleep2mo ago

> not supported by the vast majority of the country

Votes suggest otherwise.

asmor2mo ago

We both know this is an imperfect statement without getting into a lecture about representative democracy or voting modalities.

throwawaysleep2mo ago

Americans have been all for this the last couple of rounds as well.

squidbeak2mo ago

This is muddying with jargon. You're insisting on nuance where there is none: Trump won emphatically, and the campaign couldn't have been clearer about what MAGA intended to do in power.

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KingOfCoders2mo ago

Trump won the electoral vote [edit: and the popular vote]

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swiftcoder2mo ago

The polls[0] on the war do not necessarily fall along party lines

[0]: https://usapolling.substack.com/p/america-marches-into-anoth...

throwawaysleep2mo ago

But they do.

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wesleywt2mo ago

He promised his voters no new wars. So your statement is completely wrong.

lb1lf2mo ago

Perhaps it is just a Special Military Operation?

KingOfCoders2mo ago

I hate it when everyone says "Nazi Germany" instead of just "Germany".

KingOfCoders2mo ago

The majority of the country voted for this.

Trump won the electoral vote.

420official2mo ago

KingOfCoders2mo ago

1. The majority of voters voted for Trump 2. People who don't vote are like fine with whoever wins like "What pizza? I'm fine with every pizza you bring"

Yes, 5 year olds didn't vote for Trump.

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tossandthrow2mo ago

Especially in the US, this is a strawman. There is simply not enough granularity of choice that you can make voters accountable for every action Trump does.

stouset2mo ago

Trump was wildly transparent about what kind of person he is. In this case, you can and should.

KingOfCoders2mo ago

Guy: "Why do we have nukes if we don't use them?"

Same Guy: "If Europe doesn't buy more weapons from us, Russia should invade Europe, torture, plunder and kill people and do their worst."

People: "I guess I vote for that guy!"

Guy randomly bombs Iran, Yemen, Nigeria, Venezuela, Iraq, Somalia and Syria - people "Huh? I didn't vote for this".

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lawn2mo ago

> The majority of the country

He did not win the popular vote.

rawling2mo ago

He won the popular vote, but not a majority of it.

KingOfCoders2mo ago

Trump won the popular vote. Those who didn't vote, were "Nah can't be bothered, I'm fine with whoever wins"

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