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0 pointstyre5mo ago0 comments

I don’t know how many Americans actually approve of this. The left will hate it. Trump’s base has largely been isolationist.

Obviously if someone like Italy bombed us we would invade and beat the shit out of them. We did a two decade, trillions of dollars revenge tour for like 2700 people dying.

(I’m not advocating for any of this but US policy is pretty consistent. Part of the value of a US passport is knowing (and everyone else knowing) that the government will go to incredible lengths to get you back.)

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jacquesm5mo ago

I don't know either but I've spotted two comments in this thread that pretty much argued for that. Multiply that by the US population ratio vs HN size and it could really add up.

julianlam5mo ago

> Part of the value of a US passport is knowing (and everyone else knowing) that the government will go to incredible lengths to get you back.)

Is this even the case anymore?

The government has shown to turn a blind eye when natural disasters affect states that voted majority voted for the other party. Their own citizens.

If you were stuck overseas but are an outspoken Democrat, I would not count on your government to get you home.

myko5mo ago· 1 in thread

> Trump’s base has largely been isolationist.

Given the Jan 6th insurrection attempt (which made trump ineligible for office) I think a clear eyed spectator thinking deeply about the US political situation would find that his base will think whatever he tells them to think

themaninthedark5mo ago

Huh, I thought that the courts said he could run.

kristopolous5mo ago

The point is we say "well some people don't think much of their elected leader in X, so that justifies us destroying their cities, overthrowing their government and killing hundreds of thousands of people there!"

Alright, is this the global rule now? Where's the cutoff? Trump is getting 41%, is that low enough? Who gets to overthrow Washington? My vote is the Swedes, they seem pretty nice.

delichon5mo ago· 4 in thread

> We did a two decade, trillions of dollars revenge tour for like 2700 people dying.

Then what is the expected scale of a revenge tour for 48,422 fentanyl overdose deaths in 2024 and 76,282 in 2023?

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/releases/20250514.html

tyreOP5mo ago

The US isn’t too progressive about addiction. The culture tends to blame it on the individual vs. the environmental causes (including over prescription of opioids) that lead to it.

We’ve pressured China to crack down on fentanyl and its precursors, which they have to some extent, but there isn’t someone to invade, really, to stop it.

sigmarule5mo ago

Can you truly not see the fundamental difference here? Taking drugs is voluntary and the risk of drugs being laced is known by effectively everyone. Comparing THAT to people getting incinerated in their office place is nothing short of daft and insulting.

likeclockwork5mo ago

How about you stop using drugs, how about that?

Really if you want to bomb the people responsible for the overdoses it's probably the overdosers parents who abused them.

What happened to individual responsibility?

lisdexan5mo ago

Beyond the other replies to your 'point', fent has nothing to do with Venezuela⁰. It's pretty obvious if you think about it for 5 seconds, it's a dense synthetic opioid. Is there incredible chemistry knowhow in the quite far off Venezuela? No. It makes as much sense as making meth on the Peruvian jungle.

The precursors are made in legal-ish Chinese and Indian labs and shipped to the US and Mexico (y'know close where the users are). It's finished state-side or in Mexico where the DEA has less power. In fact one of the routes is:

China Lab -> Conventional Post -> Porch of a clueless gringo with a new 'online job'-> Smuggled to Mexico -> Mexican Lab -> Smuggled to the USA -> Distribution

[0]: https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2020-03/DEA_GOV_DIR-...

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