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0 pointshirako20002mo ago0 comments

But this mechanism is used to circumvent DNS blockade. Wikipedia may be next to moderate if they can force DNS providers and even the org registrar to give in, wikipedia could fold too.

Then pastebin, never ending cat and mouse game.

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zelphirkalt2mo ago

DNS is another layer. The URLs shown on Wikipedia will still have to be resolved to IP addresses, which is where DNS comes in. Referring to Wikipedia for the URLs/domains does nothing to circumvent DNS blockades.

miyuru2mo ago

Maybe with the upcoming IP address certificates, we can use IP addresses again. I remember using IP addresses to access some sites in the past.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44379034

extraduder_ire2mo ago

Using a wildcard DNS service, you can already do this.

https://sslip.io/ for instance.

rzerowan2mo ago

Evenn though its onelayer down - the same tactics that were used to suspend/takeover domains would still apply , at the end of the day one still has to get the IPv4/IPv6 address from someone(who can be coerced).

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IshKebab2mo ago

It circumvents the purpose of the DNS block which is meant to prevent people from easily finding the site. Anna's Archive can easily register new domain names and put them on Wikipedia, thus allowing people to easily discover the new location of the site.

Of course many sites can serve as "DNS" - Reddit, Github, X, basically anywhere you can put a URL. So DNS blocking is relatively useless.

YetAnotherNick2mo ago

Why should wikipedia fold? Can any country put any legitimate pressure against them for just listing a domain.

layer82mo ago

Linking to illegal services can be illegal, that’s why.

miroljub2mo ago

> Linking to illegal services can be illegal, that’s why.

What is illegal in one country can be illegal everywhere.

I don't remember Wikipedia removing LGBTIAQ++ articles just because that's illegal in Iran.

If a government thinks Wikipedia is illegal in their country, they can force local ISP providers to block it, but it's not Wikipedia's responsibility [1] to censor itself.

[1] at least should not be

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YetAnotherNick2mo ago

No it's not, at least in US. Google fought and won this case.

mmooss2mo ago

Countries can pressure them for many reasons, fairly or not. Under pressure, Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales interfered with a page about the war in Gaza (though I don't know th outcome of that).

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hirako2000OP2mo ago

Why should registrar/ISP fold?

It's not that they should, they often do though.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse

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zelphirkalt2mo ago

miyuru2mo ago

Maybe with the upcoming IP address certificates, we can use IP addresses again. I remember using IP addresses to access some sites in the past.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44379034

extraduder_ire2mo ago

Using a wildcard DNS service, you can already do this.

https://sslip.io/ for instance.

rzerowan2mo ago

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IshKebab2mo ago

Of course many sites can serve as "DNS" - Reddit, Github, X, basically anywhere you can put a URL. So DNS blocking is relatively useless.

YetAnotherNick2mo ago

Why should wikipedia fold? Can any country put any legitimate pressure against them for just listing a domain.

layer82mo ago

Linking to illegal services can be illegal, that’s why.

miroljub2mo ago

> Linking to illegal services can be illegal, that’s why.

What is illegal in one country can be illegal everywhere.

I don't remember Wikipedia removing LGBTIAQ++ articles just because that's illegal in Iran.

If a government thinks Wikipedia is illegal in their country, they can force local ISP providers to block it, but it's not Wikipedia's responsibility [1] to censor itself.

[1] at least should not be

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YetAnotherNick2mo ago

No it's not, at least in US. Google fought and won this case.

mmooss2mo ago

Countries can pressure them for many reasons, fairly or not. Under pressure, Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales interfered with a page about the war in Gaza (though I don't know th outcome of that).

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hirako2000OP2mo ago

Why should registrar/ISP fold?

It's not that they should, they often do though.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse