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0 pointsgeneral14652mo ago0 comments

Nah, you don't need to ban anything. Just force the rule, that if company sells self driving, they are also taking full liability for any damages of this system.

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kelipso2mo ago

Why is it preferable to wait for people to die and then sue the company instead of banning it in the first place?

bluGill2mo ago

People die in car crashes all the time. Self driving can kill a lot of people and still be vastly better than humans.

VerifiedReports2mo ago

But who gets the ticket when a self-driving car is at fault?

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tim3332mo ago

They don't have to die first. The company can avoid the expense by planning how not to kill people.

If you charged car makers $20m per pedestrian killed by their cars regardless of fault you'd probably see much safer designs.

throwaway20372mo ago

By this logic, then we should also create a rule for regular, non-self-driving that says, if you have a car accident that kills someone, all your wealth is taken away and given to the victim's family. If we had a rule like this, then "you'd probably see much safer driving". Are you willing to drive under those circumstances? I am sure you will say yes, but it does not make your suggestion any less ridiculous.

stirfish2mo ago

> They don't have to die first. The company can avoid the expense by planning how not to kill people.

This is an extremely optimistic view on how companies work

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JBlue422mo ago

This doc from 1999 has an answer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiB8GVMNJkE

cyanydeez2mo ago

Usually its capitalism, because in America, they can just buy carveouts after the fact.

plagiarist2mo ago

We cannot even properly ban asbestos, expecting people to die first is just having a realistic perspective on how the US government works WRT regulations.

JumpCrisscross2mo ago

> if company sells self driving, they are also taking full liability for any damages of this system

This is basically what we have (for reasonable definitions of full).

ojosilva2mo ago

That's a legal non-starter for all car companies. They would be made liable for every car incident where self-driving vehicles were spotted in close vicinity, independently of the suit being legit. A complete nightmare and totally unrelated to the tech. Makes would spend more time and tech clearing their asses in court than building safe cars.

sroussey2mo ago

Mercedes explicitly accepts liability when Drive Pilot L3 is active and used as intended.

NewJazz2mo ago

That's... Not how it would work.

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kelipso2mo ago

Why is it preferable to wait for people to die and then sue the company instead of banning it in the first place?

bluGill2mo ago

People die in car crashes all the time. Self driving can kill a lot of people and still be vastly better than humans.

VerifiedReports2mo ago

But who gets the ticket when a self-driving car is at fault?

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tim3332mo ago

They don't have to die first. The company can avoid the expense by planning how not to kill people.

If you charged car makers $20m per pedestrian killed by their cars regardless of fault you'd probably see much safer designs.

throwaway20372mo ago

stirfish2mo ago

> They don't have to die first. The company can avoid the expense by planning how not to kill people.

This is an extremely optimistic view on how companies work

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JBlue422mo ago

This doc from 1999 has an answer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiB8GVMNJkE

cyanydeez2mo ago

Usually its capitalism, because in America, they can just buy carveouts after the fact.

plagiarist2mo ago

We cannot even properly ban asbestos, expecting people to die first is just having a realistic perspective on how the US government works WRT regulations.

JumpCrisscross2mo ago

> if company sells self driving, they are also taking full liability for any damages of this system

This is basically what we have (for reasonable definitions of full).

ojosilva2mo ago

sroussey2mo ago

Mercedes explicitly accepts liability when Drive Pilot L3 is active and used as intended.

NewJazz2mo ago

That's... Not how it would work.

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