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0 pointsffsm84mo ago0 comments

Business prices should be figure 6 in my link, while the difference is a lot smaller, Lithuania is definitely one of the cheaper countries, beating the EU average slightly.

> As per my response to the initial comment - there is no way a datacentre in Europe is paying 30c/kWh

Hetzner prices it at 33c/wh as of last year I believe, previously it was 40c (after the pipeline was destroyed)

But Germany is pretty much in the 3 most expensive countries wrt electricity cost in the EU - both for consumers and commercial pricing

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supermatt4mo ago

> Lithuania is definitely one of the cheaper countries

And yet has one of the highest wholesale rates...

> Hetzner prices it at...

Hertzner are reselling. They make a profit on energy resale. Their rate also includes a substantial buffer on the actual rate to account for volatility. Their rate is most likely less than half of what they are passing on for colo.

For reference, last year German industrial energy prices were around 10c/kWh INCLUDING taxes and network fees - and the government are looking to subsidize that further to target 5c/kWh: https://www.gleisslutz.com/en/know-how/germany-cuts-costs-el...

ffsm8OP4mo ago

You're talking about select industries which are being supported via subventions, data centers are not included. If you pay attention to the wording in your cited article, they've said so as well.

And hetzner does not have a large upsell for their energy prices, they're pretty much passing in the price as-is according to their own statements (from the large increase to 40c)

Almost all commercial applications need to pay the quoted prices around what's shown in figure 6

supermatt4mo ago

Ok, it seems I am mistaken that this subsidy applies to datacenter (apparently there is ongoing discussions to include them for this reason).

That said - I 100% don't believe that hertzner are simply passing on the price for their colo clients. Where did you read that they are not making a profit off electricity resale?

Here is another link discussing industrial energy prices WITHOUT reductions: https://www.smard.de/page/en/topic-article/213922/216044

So less than 17c/kWh in 2024, and likely another 2c when adjusted for current wholesale prices and network fees.

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supermatt4mo ago

> Lithuania is definitely one of the cheaper countries

And yet has one of the highest wholesale rates...

> Hetzner prices it at...

ffsm8OP4mo ago

You're talking about select industries which are being supported via subventions, data centers are not included. If you pay attention to the wording in your cited article, they've said so as well.

And hetzner does not have a large upsell for their energy prices, they're pretty much passing in the price as-is according to their own statements (from the large increase to 40c)

Almost all commercial applications need to pay the quoted prices around what's shown in figure 6

supermatt4mo ago

Ok, it seems I am mistaken that this subsidy applies to datacenter (apparently there is ongoing discussions to include them for this reason).

That said - I 100% don't believe that hertzner are simply passing on the price for their colo clients. Where did you read that they are not making a profit off electricity resale?

Here is another link discussing industrial energy prices WITHOUT reductions: https://www.smard.de/page/en/topic-article/213922/216044

So less than 17c/kWh in 2024, and likely another 2c when adjusted for current wholesale prices and network fees.

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